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Sorry for the source, but it's only them and the dailymail for now. The dailymail link was removed. I think this is relevant for HN because of the unease of bei

Sorry for the source, but it's only them and the dailymail for now. The dailymail link was removed. I think this is relevant for HN because of the unease of being jewish in the field recently. Bitter irony that Google was founded by 2 jews.

lupire 5y ago
What unease is that?
- chitowneats 5y ago
  The main thrust of the "antiracist" movement that is gaining steam in many sectors of society, including the tech industry, can be summarized as: "whites are perpetuating a global racist conspiracy against people of color." They see Israel/Palestine through this lens, as well as the racial justice issues in the US. It doesn't take much of a leap to get to, "Jews are perpetuating a global racist conspiracy..." Sound familiar?
  - notduncansmith 5y ago
    I think one could do a lot more justice to the nuances of the situation than your summary. 1. Saying “whites” like it’s the 20th century is unnecessarily evocative of pre-civil-rights-era vibes. 2. To call it a “global conspiracy” implies there are far more people in on it than actually are. 3. When you choose a word like “perpetuating”, it doesn’t make sense to call out white people alone: the antiracist movement makes it clear that people of all shades “perpetuate” our society’s systemic injustices. 4. Finally, “against people of color” is not even the full scope of the issue: homogeneity breeds weakness, and another pillar of antiracism is a recognition of the strength in diversity. 5. The “sound familiar?” bit at the end is inviting a comparison that would be in incredibly poor taste IMO and smacks of DARVO tactics Antiracism is a self-serving strategy if one identifies with humanity as a whole. It’s not a wild idea that’s “gaining steam” - people have been writing and speaking these truths for many years.
    - chitowneats 5y ago
      1. You do not have the right to tell me how to refer to my racial identity. I would normally say, "white Americans", but that doesn't make sense in the context of discussing a conspiracy theory that implicates white-skinned individuals globally. "White-skinned individuals" is a mouthful. You read into "whites" what you wanted to. I don't use "white people" anymore, due to the association with "wypipo", a new racial slur the supposedly "antiracist" crowd has come up with. 2. I'm glad we agree it's a conspiracy theory. 3. Yes, yes. "Internalized white supremacy" and other related BS. Yawn. 4. "Diversity is our strength" is a hypothesis that I've seen very little supporting evidence for. The Chinese would agree. It's painfully obvious that ethnically homogenous societies have an easier go of things. That will never happen in the US, and we should not wish for it to. But we should be clear eyed about it, and not pretend it's some sort of competitive advantage. 5. You taught me a new acronym today, thanks. You're way off the mark, though. Reasonable people see the parallels between what the old anti-semites believed, and what the new ones do. They also see the difference between the likes of Ibram Kendi and MLK. But please, keep pushing this line that contemporary "antiracism" is philosophically equivalent with the Civil Rights era movement. It's obviously bullshit to anyone who isn't already an acolyte, which suits my purposes just fine.
- tharne 5y ago
  I think the parent commenter is referring to the growing anti-Semitism on the left. Traditionally, anti-Semitism in the United States has come from the far right. However, recently, anti-Semitism has been rising on the left and has been increasingly socially acceptable in the educated classes that populate places like Silicon Valley. It's typically wrapped in "Anti Israel" arguments, but it seems to have morphed lately to more closely resemble traditional anti-Jewish sentiment. This had led many American Jews to feel like they're beset on all sides.
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  - chevill 5y ago
    >I think the parent commenter is referring to the growing antisemitism on the left. Can you list examples of antisemitism on the left? I'm not saying that it doesn't exist I simply have only seen people make comments about the Israeli government's use of military force. Most of those comments aren't antisemitic. There's a lot of blame for each side to share when it comes to violence in that region of the world. What I have seen frequently is people labeling anything other than unequivocal support for anything and everything Israel wants to do as antisemitism.
    - tharne 5y ago
      > Can you list examples of antisemitism on the left? There are videos online of Jews in New York and other cities getting assaulted by large groups in recent weeks. Watch them for yourself, listen to the language being used and decide whether or not it constitutes antisemitism.
      - gher-shyu3i 5y ago
        Because a bunch of Zionist supporters who happen to be Jews get assaulted is proof of antisemitism? That's weak. There was a non-Jewish supporter of the Zionist state who got assaulted recently for your information for his stance against the oppressed people of Palestine. Is that antisemitism?
llimos 5y ago
Every posting related to this is being flagged to death (but also getting upvotes). I wish I could say I don't know why but unfortunately I think I do.

lupire 5y ago

What unease is that?

chitowneats 5y ago
The main thrust of the "antiracist" movement that is gaining steam in many sectors of society, including the tech industry, can be summarized as: "whites are perpetuating a global racist conspiracy against people of color." They see Israel/Palestine through this lens, as well as the racial justice issues in the US. It doesn't take much of a leap to get to, "Jews are perpetuating a global racist conspiracy..." Sound familiar?
- notduncansmith 5y ago
  I think one could do a lot more justice to the nuances of the situation than your summary. 1. Saying “whites” like it’s the 20th century is unnecessarily evocative of pre-civil-rights-era vibes. 2. To call it a “global conspiracy” implies there are far more people in on it than actually are. 3. When you choose a word like “perpetuating”, it doesn’t make sense to call out white people alone: the antiracist movement makes it clear that people of all shades “perpetuate” our society’s systemic injustices. 4. Finally, “against people of color” is not even the full scope of the issue: homogeneity breeds weakness, and another pillar of antiracism is a recognition of the strength in diversity. 5. The “sound familiar?” bit at the end is inviting a comparison that would be in incredibly poor taste IMO and smacks of DARVO tactics Antiracism is a self-serving strategy if one identifies with humanity as a whole. It’s not a wild idea that’s “gaining steam” - people have been writing and speaking these truths for many years.
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    1. You do not have the right to tell me how to refer to my racial identity. I would normally say, "white Americans", but that doesn't make sense in the context of discussing a conspiracy theory that implicates white-skinned individuals globally. "White-skinned individuals" is a mouthful. You read into "whites" what you wanted to. I don't use "white people" anymore, due to the association with "wypipo", a new racial slur the supposedly "antiracist" crowd has come up with. 2. I'm glad we agree it's a conspiracy theory. 3. Yes, yes. "Internalized white supremacy" and other related BS. Yawn. 4. "Diversity is our strength" is a hypothesis that I've seen very little supporting evidence for. The Chinese would agree. It's painfully obvious that ethnically homogenous societies have an easier go of things. That will never happen in the US, and we should not wish for it to. But we should be clear eyed about it, and not pretend it's some sort of competitive advantage. 5. You taught me a new acronym today, thanks. You're way off the mark, though. Reasonable people see the parallels between what the old anti-semites believed, and what the new ones do. They also see the difference between the likes of Ibram Kendi and MLK. But please, keep pushing this line that contemporary "antiracism" is philosophically equivalent with the Civil Rights era movement. It's obviously bullshit to anyone who isn't already an acolyte, which suits my purposes just fine.
tharne 5y ago
I think the parent commenter is referring to the growing anti-Semitism on the left. Traditionally, anti-Semitism in the United States has come from the far right. However, recently, anti-Semitism has been rising on the left and has been increasingly socially acceptable in the educated classes that populate places like Silicon Valley. It's typically wrapped in "Anti Israel" arguments, but it seems to have morphed lately to more closely resemble traditional anti-Jewish sentiment. This had led many American Jews to feel like they're beset on all sides.
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- chevill 5y ago
  >I think the parent commenter is referring to the growing antisemitism on the left. Can you list examples of antisemitism on the left? I'm not saying that it doesn't exist I simply have only seen people make comments about the Israeli government's use of military force. Most of those comments aren't antisemitic. There's a lot of blame for each side to share when it comes to violence in that region of the world. What I have seen frequently is people labeling anything other than unequivocal support for anything and everything Israel wants to do as antisemitism.
  - tharne 5y ago
    > Can you list examples of antisemitism on the left? There are videos online of Jews in New York and other cities getting assaulted by large groups in recent weeks. Watch them for yourself, listen to the language being used and decide whether or not it constitutes antisemitism.
    - gher-shyu3i 5y ago
      Because a bunch of Zionist supporters who happen to be Jews get assaulted is proof of antisemitism? That's weak. There was a non-Jewish supporter of the Zionist state who got assaulted recently for your information for his stance against the oppressed people of Palestine. Is that antisemitism?

llimos 5y ago

Every posting related to this is being flagged to death (but also getting upvotes). I wish I could say I don't know why but unfortunately I think I do.