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Huawei HarmonyOS and New Products Launch [video]

31 points by rguiscard 5y ago

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Wxc2jjJmST9XWWL 5y ago
To people interested but not willing to watch a Huawei pr event live stream, maybe https://techxplore.com/news/2021-06-huawei-smartphones.html https://techxplore.com/news/2021-06-huawei-smartphones.html gives a satisfying quick glance what's up. Or wait until the event is over and read up on it then. Funnily enough (from above mentioned article): > Owners of Huawei phones who have no access to Google services won't be able to download apps such as Gmail or YouTube. Instead, HMS offers shortcuts to the mobile sites of such services. Yes, that kind of sounds... like an improvement actually, in many cases.
- inamiyar 5y ago
  I use the mobile YouTube website, surprisingly usable and I dodged the whole weird YouTube quality selector thing. (Things usually trickle in later though, they only added the weird comments-not-at-the-bottom thing recently)
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  - toxik 5y ago
    For whatever reason, YouTube the website defaults to 360p no matter how many times you select a higher resolution. In fact, you can only select 720p -- 1080p60 is simply not available.
ericls 5y ago
Quick, get this Chinese military device in your pocket
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throwaway4good 5y ago
I like the monitor. (MateView?). Brilliant with the phone to screen projection - that has a lot of potential.
- throwaway4good 5y ago
  https://www.giztop.com/news/huawei-mateview-monitor-review-a-28-2-inch-display-packed-with-specs-that-are-useful-for-productivity/ https://www.giztop.com/news/huawei-mateview-monitor-review-a...
  - syspec 5y ago
    "Huawei does not believe in making copies and doesn’t shy away from breaking the rules and putting its own ideas into practice. The company offers an unparalleled experience to its consumers." This source seems biased - the monitor is an obvious rip off of the Apple XDR display
    - throwaway4good 5y ago
      I thought it looked like what I think the new iMac should look like. Anyway the interesting thing is the way the phone integrates. You just leave it on the monitor stand and it will project itself on to the screen in desktop mode.
    - ziml77 5y ago
      Also look at the demonstration of how it can be adjusted with one finger. When they go to lift it they try to with one finger, fail, and then switch to using their whole hand.
      - throwaway4good 5y ago
        They are just demonstrating that it requires a bit of force to adjust the monitor upwards. As it should. In my opinion it looks like a good product, the 3/2 aspect ratio is plus too. And I think it looks more like a high end dell than an Apple monitor.
roddux 5y ago
If anyone else was curious about HarmonyOS, don't bother..: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS Unveiled on 9 August 2019, Huawei initially stated that it would be an independently-developed, microkernel-based, distributed OS, and "completely different from Android and iOS",[1] but it was later discovered that HarmonyOS was actually a derivative of Android.
- throwaway4good 5y ago
  It is a micro kernel os. On top of it you can run parts of android in order support existing android apps. I will give you it is not easy to get proper information on it as the primary documentation is in Chinese and there is quite a bit of bad faith coverage of anything Huawei out there. Short term I think they focus on the Chinese market, so it doesn’t matter. However long term I guess they would have to advocate to English speaking developer communities.
  - izacus 5y ago
    What it is (at least the thing they've shown), it's just reskinned AOSP like Lineage, Graphene and other "OSes" which take Android and slightly modify it.
    - throwaway4good 5y ago
      The core of it can run on devices with at little as 128 kb and really has nothing to do with android: https://device.harmonyos.com/en/docs/start/introduce/oem_wifi_start_des-0000001050168548 https://device.harmonyos.com/en/docs/start/introduce/oem_wif... Obviously what runs on a modern phone is a massive system of components and services. And if you want to android apps there would have pieces of android there. What I think confuses people is that the demos and marketing videos really just shows stuff that is visual and kinda looks no different from a modern android phone. However the ideas there: micro kernel, distributed os, letting user code run in kernel via static validation, ways of sharing capabilities across devices at os level ... are classic ideas that has been around in experimental oses for while, however never put into a big commercial os. Hopefully they will succeed as these ideas can really bring the whole industry forward.
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nobody0 5y ago
Since this is hn, there is [0] an `Ark compiler` made by HW, [1] an outdated mirror [0] https://gitee.com/openarkcompiler/OpenArkCompiler https://gitee.com/openarkcompiler/OpenArkCompiler [1] https://github.com/c2s/OpenArkCompiler https://github.com/c2s/OpenArkCompiler
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llampx 5y ago
I enjoyed using Huawei devices until the US kneecapped them, unfortunately it again shows the US big tech hegemony in that an electronic device is not useful unless it runs US software. I'm all for reducing my reliance on American big tech.
- estaseuropano 5y ago
  > I'm all for reducing my reliance on American big tech. As a European completely agree - but not to instead have reliance on Chinese big tech! But I guess anyone who buys Huawei doesn't care where their data goes.
  - FooBarWidget 5y ago
    Why can't European countries just establish security standards and mandatory security audits that all foreign technologies have to adhere to? That way countries can choose technology based on their merits without fear of spying from anyone, and without looking like they're discriminating. All this politicization and casting doubt (X "may" spy on you) is totally unnecessary.
    - systemvoltage 5y ago
      Why do I get a feeling that such a policy would be poorly implemented by people who have no idea about cell phone operating systems? It would be a "security theater" with nothing to show for in terms of actual security. Furthermore, these certifications would give the public false hope of security while their data is being siphoned in exactly the same way before the regulation. GDPR: Strictly speaking as an average user who doesn't care about privacy - all they got is a cookie banner annoyance from GDPR. They see no benefit of regulation in EU. Sure, people on HN care about privacy and support this - but vast majority of people find GDPR laws a complete nuissance. Businesses implement the provisions in half-baked fashion because its expensive to be fully GDPR compliant. EU regulation is a shitshow and usually poorly thought out. Intentions are good but when it plays out, it is a disaster for users and businesses alike.
2Gkashmiri 5y ago
the whole file transfer thing looks so much better to what we have today.... i use kde connect and i have to send files. then select them. This would pick and drop files. Super good. But..... the whole connected thing makes me queasy
- dragonelite 5y ago
  If it works like that in real life it looks really nicely integrated with IoT devices. I like how you can attach floating devices to your main devices it looked so simple.
h_anna_h 5y ago
Is it locked, DRMed, and backdoored just like pretty much anything made by Huawei?
xibalba 5y ago
Honest question: Do we, the HN community, believe that we can have good faith discussions about Huawei without the interference of PRC propagandists on the one side and anti-Sino infowarriors on the other?
- zxcb1 5y ago
  Why can't I joke about communism here? Can we even make the distinction anymore? The cooperative form of organization seems quite healthy though. https://www.huawei.com/en/facts/question-answer/who-owns-huawei https://www.huawei.com/en/facts/question-answer/who-owns-hua...
- FooBarWidget 5y ago
  I'm not sure what the point of this question is. I am willing to engage in good faith conversations but many people aren't. Oftentimes I'm immediately labeled a propagandist/bot, or just downvoted without replies, without any consideration for what I actually said or the sources I provided or my long history. Most people seem to have already made up their minds to attack people that have opinions that differ from their own.
- dec0dedab0de 5y ago
  I trust that HN will down vote, or at least intelligently counter any dishonest comments. If those "PRC propagandists, and ant-sino infowarriors" are making their respective points honestly, then I see no problem with having them around.
- loyukfai 5y ago
  Let's try, as always. Reply based on facts and logic; Refrain from using derogatory words; Avoid straying into conspiracy theories; Upvote quality replies; Report those going way out of line. Cheers.
azinman2 5y ago
This video is super strange to me. First, could everything not be a bigger Apple rip? From the countdown to the camera angles, the way the camera moved to reveal the CEO, the cut away house and even the rings on top of the stage that echo Apple Park… and that’s not even talking about the “MateBook”, AirPods knock offs, OS look and feel, etc. I’d be embarrassed to work for Huawei. But then they’re introducing a new OS. What do we start with? Control panel! Ok.. that’s very strange. Perhaps you want to give more context about what you’ve done, why, and why people should care? You can copy looks and camera shots, but apparently you can’t copy good storytelling.

31 points by rguiscard 5y ago

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To people interested but not willing to watch a Huawei pr event live stream, maybe https://techxplore.com/news/2021-06-huawei-smartphones.html https://techxplore.com/news/2021-06-huawei-smartphones.html gives a satisfying quick glance what's up. Or wait until the event is over and read up on it then. Funnily enough (from above mentioned article): > Owners of Huawei phones who have no access to Google services won't be able to download apps such as Gmail or YouTube. Instead, HMS offers shortcuts to the mobile sites of such services. Yes, that kind of sounds... like an improvement actually, in many cases.

inamiyar 5y ago
I use the mobile YouTube website, surprisingly usable and I dodged the whole weird YouTube quality selector thing. (Things usually trickle in later though, they only added the weird comments-not-at-the-bottom thing recently)
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- toxik 5y ago
  For whatever reason, YouTube the website defaults to 360p no matter how many times you select a higher resolution. In fact, you can only select 720p -- 1080p60 is simply not available.

ericls 5y ago

Quick, get this Chinese military device in your pocket

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throwaway4good 5y ago

I like the monitor. (MateView?). Brilliant with the phone to screen projection - that has a lot of potential.

throwaway4good 5y ago
https://www.giztop.com/news/huawei-mateview-monitor-review-a-28-2-inch-display-packed-with-specs-that-are-useful-for-productivity/ https://www.giztop.com/news/huawei-mateview-monitor-review-a...
- syspec 5y ago
  "Huawei does not believe in making copies and doesn’t shy away from breaking the rules and putting its own ideas into practice. The company offers an unparalleled experience to its consumers." This source seems biased - the monitor is an obvious rip off of the Apple XDR display
  - throwaway4good 5y ago
    I thought it looked like what I think the new iMac should look like. Anyway the interesting thing is the way the phone integrates. You just leave it on the monitor stand and it will project itself on to the screen in desktop mode.
  - ziml77 5y ago
    Also look at the demonstration of how it can be adjusted with one finger. When they go to lift it they try to with one finger, fail, and then switch to using their whole hand.
    - throwaway4good 5y ago
      They are just demonstrating that it requires a bit of force to adjust the monitor upwards. As it should. In my opinion it looks like a good product, the 3/2 aspect ratio is plus too. And I think it looks more like a high end dell than an Apple monitor.

roddux 5y ago

If anyone else was curious about HarmonyOS, don't bother..: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS Unveiled on 9 August 2019, Huawei initially stated that it would be an independently-developed, microkernel-based, distributed OS, and "completely different from Android and iOS",[1] but it was later discovered that HarmonyOS was actually a derivative of Android.

throwaway4good 5y ago
It is a micro kernel os. On top of it you can run parts of android in order support existing android apps. I will give you it is not easy to get proper information on it as the primary documentation is in Chinese and there is quite a bit of bad faith coverage of anything Huawei out there. Short term I think they focus on the Chinese market, so it doesn’t matter. However long term I guess they would have to advocate to English speaking developer communities.
- izacus 5y ago
  What it is (at least the thing they've shown), it's just reskinned AOSP like Lineage, Graphene and other "OSes" which take Android and slightly modify it.
  - throwaway4good 5y ago
    The core of it can run on devices with at little as 128 kb and really has nothing to do with android: https://device.harmonyos.com/en/docs/start/introduce/oem_wifi_start_des-0000001050168548 https://device.harmonyos.com/en/docs/start/introduce/oem_wif... Obviously what runs on a modern phone is a massive system of components and services. And if you want to android apps there would have pieces of android there. What I think confuses people is that the demos and marketing videos really just shows stuff that is visual and kinda looks no different from a modern android phone. However the ideas there: micro kernel, distributed os, letting user code run in kernel via static validation, ways of sharing capabilities across devices at os level ... are classic ideas that has been around in experimental oses for while, however never put into a big commercial os. Hopefully they will succeed as these ideas can really bring the whole industry forward.

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nobody0 5y ago

Since this is hn, there is [0] an `Ark compiler` made by HW, [1] an outdated mirror [0] https://gitee.com/openarkcompiler/OpenArkCompiler https://gitee.com/openarkcompiler/OpenArkCompiler [1] https://github.com/c2s/OpenArkCompiler https://github.com/c2s/OpenArkCompiler

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zxcb1 5y ago

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llampx 5y ago

I enjoyed using Huawei devices until the US kneecapped them, unfortunately it again shows the US big tech hegemony in that an electronic device is not useful unless it runs US software. I'm all for reducing my reliance on American big tech.

estaseuropano 5y ago
> I'm all for reducing my reliance on American big tech. As a European completely agree - but not to instead have reliance on Chinese big tech! But I guess anyone who buys Huawei doesn't care where their data goes.
- FooBarWidget 5y ago
  Why can't European countries just establish security standards and mandatory security audits that all foreign technologies have to adhere to? That way countries can choose technology based on their merits without fear of spying from anyone, and without looking like they're discriminating. All this politicization and casting doubt (X "may" spy on you) is totally unnecessary.
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    Why do I get a feeling that such a policy would be poorly implemented by people who have no idea about cell phone operating systems? It would be a "security theater" with nothing to show for in terms of actual security. Furthermore, these certifications would give the public false hope of security while their data is being siphoned in exactly the same way before the regulation. GDPR: Strictly speaking as an average user who doesn't care about privacy - all they got is a cookie banner annoyance from GDPR. They see no benefit of regulation in EU. Sure, people on HN care about privacy and support this - but vast majority of people find GDPR laws a complete nuissance. Businesses implement the provisions in half-baked fashion because its expensive to be fully GDPR compliant. EU regulation is a shitshow and usually poorly thought out. Intentions are good but when it plays out, it is a disaster for users and businesses alike.

2Gkashmiri 5y ago

the whole file transfer thing looks so much better to what we have today.... i use kde connect and i have to send files. then select them. This would pick and drop files. Super good. But..... the whole connected thing makes me queasy

dragonelite 5y ago
If it works like that in real life it looks really nicely integrated with IoT devices. I like how you can attach floating devices to your main devices it looked so simple.

h_anna_h 5y ago

Is it locked, DRMed, and backdoored just like pretty much anything made by Huawei?

xibalba 5y ago

Honest question: Do we, the HN community, believe that we can have good faith discussions about Huawei without the interference of PRC propagandists on the one side and anti-Sino infowarriors on the other?

zxcb1 5y ago
Why can't I joke about communism here? Can we even make the distinction anymore? The cooperative form of organization seems quite healthy though. https://www.huawei.com/en/facts/question-answer/who-owns-huawei https://www.huawei.com/en/facts/question-answer/who-owns-hua...
FooBarWidget 5y ago
I'm not sure what the point of this question is. I am willing to engage in good faith conversations but many people aren't. Oftentimes I'm immediately labeled a propagandist/bot, or just downvoted without replies, without any consideration for what I actually said or the sources I provided or my long history. Most people seem to have already made up their minds to attack people that have opinions that differ from their own.
dec0dedab0de 5y ago
I trust that HN will down vote, or at least intelligently counter any dishonest comments. If those "PRC propagandists, and ant-sino infowarriors" are making their respective points honestly, then I see no problem with having them around.
loyukfai 5y ago
Let's try, as always. Reply based on facts and logic; Refrain from using derogatory words; Avoid straying into conspiracy theories; Upvote quality replies; Report those going way out of line. Cheers.

azinman2 5y ago

This video is super strange to me. First, could everything not be a bigger Apple rip? From the countdown to the camera angles, the way the camera moved to reveal the CEO, the cut away house and even the rings on top of the stage that echo Apple Park… and that’s not even talking about the “MateBook”, AirPods knock offs, OS look and feel, etc. I’d be embarrassed to work for Huawei. But then they’re introducing a new OS. What do we start with? Control panel! Ok.. that’s very strange. Perhaps you want to give more context about what you’ve done, why, and why people should care? You can copy looks and camera shots, but apparently you can’t copy good storytelling.