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I've seen the video that makes that claim but it's just plain wrong, if you look at an Intel Air the whole main board complete with heat sinks lives in a duct f

I've seen the video that makes that claim but it's just plain wrong, if you look at an Intel Air the whole main board complete with heat sinks lives in a duct formed by the rear section of the chassis.

Dylan16807 5y ago
Some air goes over it but it's not enough with the tiny surface area. A proper block of fins would have done so much more while still being small and light.
- acdha 5y ago
  If it’s that easy, do you have an example of another vendor doing it? It seems like Intel would love to highlight, say, Lenovo or HP to say Apple was cooling it wrong.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    Almost every laptop in the world connects a block of fins to the CPU with a heat pipe. I went to ifixit and clicked the very first laptop teardown I saw, it has one. https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/gnBU5dVYrIhInIXV.medium https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/gnBU5dVYrIhInIXV.med... Or, let's see, razer blade stealth, that's a 3 pound laptop. https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/nHPaankElOWQndsv.full https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/nHPaankElOWQndsv.ful... What's a light 15 inch laptop, XPS 15 7590? https://i0.wp.com/laptopmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/internals-5.jpg?resize=680%2C453&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/laptopmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01... Acer swift 5 SF515, "lightest 15 inch laptop on the market" https://i1.wp.com/laptopmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/inside.jpg?ssl=1 https://i1.wp.com/laptopmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01... LG Gram https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/fFlFJB3PKThJs3TA.huge https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/fFlFJB3PKThJs3TA.hug...
    - p1necone 5y ago
      Apple is actually just really terrible at thermal design, simple as that. It's surprising, because you'd kinda expect them to at least be slightly competent (like they are in other areas), but they're just not. They've gotten around it with M1 by building an entirely new chip that's power efficient enough that it practically doesn't need good thermal design to perform near it's peak. It's an impressive technical accomplishment, but it's also hilarious that Apple had to go this far to cool a chip properly.
    - acdha 5y ago
      Yes, we knew that design was common - that’s why that PC fan made the video picking it as a point of criticism – but that doesn’t tell us whether it’s as big a deal as being claimed. That would require some benchmarks running for long enough to see substantially greater thermal throttling, higher CPU core temperatures, etc.

Dylan16807 5y ago

Some air goes over it but it's not enough with the tiny surface area. A proper block of fins would have done so much more while still being small and light.

acdha 5y ago
If it’s that easy, do you have an example of another vendor doing it? It seems like Intel would love to highlight, say, Lenovo or HP to say Apple was cooling it wrong.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  Almost every laptop in the world connects a block of fins to the CPU with a heat pipe. I went to ifixit and clicked the very first laptop teardown I saw, it has one. https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/gnBU5dVYrIhInIXV.medium https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/gnBU5dVYrIhInIXV.med... Or, let's see, razer blade stealth, that's a 3 pound laptop. https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/nHPaankElOWQndsv.full https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/nHPaankElOWQndsv.ful... What's a light 15 inch laptop, XPS 15 7590? https://i0.wp.com/laptopmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/internals-5.jpg?resize=680%2C453&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/laptopmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01... Acer swift 5 SF515, "lightest 15 inch laptop on the market" https://i1.wp.com/laptopmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/inside.jpg?ssl=1 https://i1.wp.com/laptopmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01... LG Gram https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/fFlFJB3PKThJs3TA.huge https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/fFlFJB3PKThJs3TA.hug...
  - p1necone 5y ago
    Apple is actually just really terrible at thermal design, simple as that. It's surprising, because you'd kinda expect them to at least be slightly competent (like they are in other areas), but they're just not. They've gotten around it with M1 by building an entirely new chip that's power efficient enough that it practically doesn't need good thermal design to perform near it's peak. It's an impressive technical accomplishment, but it's also hilarious that Apple had to go this far to cool a chip properly.
  - acdha 5y ago
    Yes, we knew that design was common - that’s why that PC fan made the video picking it as a point of criticism – but that doesn’t tell us whether it’s as big a deal as being claimed. That would require some benchmarks running for long enough to see substantially greater thermal throttling, higher CPU core temperatures, etc.