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We should investigate the benefits of sodium as well. Sodium is vitally important for many bodily function and is a very misunderstood nutrient. Historically p
by akhilpotla 5y ago
We should investigate the benefits of sodium as well. Sodium is vitally important for many bodily function and is a very misunderstood nutrient.
Historically people consumed much more salt, and don't give me the "people used to die when they were 35" nonsense. There is a big difference between being kicked by a horse vs dying of a stroke.
- typon 5y agoWasn't most meat also salted in the past?
- nsajko 5y agoDepends on the past.
- firecall 5y agoThe past is a long time!
- justinator 5y agoAnd incidentally, seems to always be getting longer
- londons_explore 5y agoA lot of meat is salted today... Ham... Bacon....
- marcyb5st 5y agoI think there is a substantial difference as back then the meat was literally "submerged" in salt to preserve it. Nowadays I believe it's simply lightly coated in salt to only maximize flavor since we have fridges.
- throwaway316943 5y agoYou can still buy salt beef. It usually comes in a plastic tub. You must soak it in water before cooking in order to remove most of the salt otherwise it is inedible.
- hypertele-Xii 5y agoYes; Salt was among the first preservatives discovered and used. Bacteria landing on salt will quickly find all of their water exiting their insides towards the salt. Life ceases to function sans water.
- Datagenerator 5y agoGreat description. Now I'm grossed out but had fun imagining bacteria dying perpetually until it's some sort of additional crust on the dried meat..
- gnulinux 5y agoI love sodium and virtually never heard of this "sodium is the devil" narrative before! (I know right, was I living in a cave?) Anyway a few weeks back me and my friend was ordering Chinese food. And he was like, meh Chinese food has too much sodium let's order something else. Turns out sodium is bad because it accumulates water in your body? After that I started being super particular about my sodium intake.
- selimthegrim 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonese_salted_fish#Health_concerns_and_cancer_warning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonese_salted_fish#Health_c... was an eye-opener to me
- foota 5y agoThis[1] rather lengthy article suggests that the issue there isn't the salt, but rather the interaction between the salt and the raw fish which causes carcinogenic compounds to form. 1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK304384/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK304384/
- mmerlin 5y agoMaybe your friend was referencing MSG? Makes me extremely thirsty hours later, and then I HAVE to "accumulate water in my body", on purpose, to satiate the unquenchable thirst caused by MSG
- pengaru 5y agoChinese restaurants in the US are notorious for using excess salt and sweeteners. Though to be fair it's a form of arms race, most US restaurants overdo it if the regional palette has become desensitized. It's not strictly a Chinese restaurant issue. But many Chinese dishes on the menus are defined by their sweet and salty axis, and being in this environment they're pushed to the extreme.
- bigmattystyles 5y agoI don't want to kick the hornet's nest, but isn't MSG avoidance just an example of nocebo? It's just a salt right and its connection to headaches has never actually been established, it's jut something people say.
- psychometry 5y agoPeople used to die when they were 35 because they were getting stomach cancer from a lifetime of eating salted meat. The invention of refrigeration was one of the most important public health accomplishments of the last 150 years.
- eloff 5y agoNo, salted meat wouldn't make a list of the top ten causes of mortality back then. I doubt even the top 100, but I can't say for certain without doing more work than a comment is worth. Apparently lots of people disagree with something that seems obvious? Source?
- psychometry 5y agoDo you honestly think that "salted meat" would be listed on a death certificate? Here's a source for you: https://www.nature.com/articles/jhh2008144 https://www.nature.com/articles/jhh2008144
- eloff 5y ago> Do you honestly think that "salted meat" would be listed on a death certificate? Strawman argument. So stomach cancer is currently 10% of cancer deaths, and cancer is currently the second leading cause of death at all ages. One can't extrapolate that back historically safely because cancer primarily affects the old and people didn't live long enough back then. But even if we just single out stomach cancer and assume incorrectly that 100% is attributed to salt, when frankly that would be a minority of stomach cancers, then it still wouldn't even make the top ten causes of mortality today. Never mind historically when people commonly died from lots of things we no longer worry about, like simple bacterial infections, childbirth, or poor dental hygiene. The OPs argument is ridiculous and I'm surprised how many people can't see that.
- layoutIfNeeded 5y ago[citation needed]
- johntfella 5y agogranted this org/source isn't the most credible, it still made for an interesting listen. https://wisetraditions.libsyn.com/105-salt-friend-or-foe-principle-9 https://wisetraditions.libsyn.com/105-salt-friend-or-foe-pri...
- mrfusion 5y agoI have a lot of older tennis friends and they suffer through cramps all the time. I ask if they’re getting enough sodium after sweating for hours and they say they’re on low sodium diets for blood pressure. Folks you need to replace your sodium when you sweat! /soapbox
- leke 5y agoI can't really remember the last time I sweated though, even though I do cycle 30-40 mins a day depending on the season.
- Retric 5y agoPeople sweat regularly without any noticeable moisture droplets etc. As long as evaporation >= perspiration rate nothing builds up. It’s why a tight watch will often have moisture behind it even though you don’t seem to be sweating.
- Datagenerator 5y agoDoing strength exercises for many years now, increased sodium reduced muscle cramps and lowered recovery times. If you experience nightly cramps, increase the regular sodium and magnesium citrate intake and reduce when symptom free. Unrelated, doing breathing exercises just before going Max helps to execute in near tranquility.
- nradov 5y agoThere's a strong genetic factor in the link between sodium intake and blood pressure. Some people are very sensitive to it, others can consume larger amounts without causing hypertension.
- adrian_b 5y agoThere are also sex differences in sodium handling ability. Older women who have taken blood pressure medication for many years, e.g. 10 to 20 years, have risks of losing the ability to control well the concentrations of sodium and potassium in the blood. If they follow a low-sodium diet, they have a high risk of hyponatremia (too little sodium in the body). Depending on the diet, hypokalemia (too little potassium in the body) is also possible. If these conditions are not diagnosed promptly, severe illness or even death are the consequence. Unfortunately, I was not aware of these risks. My mother belonged to this risk group, but nobody knew this and her periodic blood tests were perfect, because they included many other tests, except the sodium and potassium concentrations in blood, which are mandatory to detect this problem. My mother had very serious problems because hyponatremia was detected too late, so I believe that more people should become aware of this risk. There are a lot of old women taking medication for high blood pressure, so all should know that a periodic cheap test for sodium in blood can easily prevent reaching a stage when complete recovery becomes difficult or impossible. Also, any low-sodium diet should actually measure or compute how much salt you eat, because too low sodium is even more dangerous than too high sodium.
- leke 5y agoI've also heard that was an average, when at the time infant mortality was around 50%. https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality-in-the-past https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality-in-the-past