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Respectfully, this sounds like rant (without much substance) and a lot of arm chair military hoo haa. I’ll tell you how this is going to go - HN will vote it t

Respectfully, this sounds like rant (without much substance) and a lot of arm chair military hoo haa. I’ll tell you how this is going to go - HN will vote it to the top just like those discussions about Taiwan invasions. Juicy? Yes, pretty fun. Completely detached from the reality? I wonder what people who are familiar with the matter think. Gellman’s amnesia much! Inevitably it will get into a heated discussion with rocks thrown from a multiple sides, some China whataboutism and voila - you’ve got a bog standard classic flame war. Sigh. Let’s talk about data collection and NSA, please. Not F-35s and nuclear weapons.

a0-prw 5y ago
It's not rant. It's justified indignation. We should definitely not have bought those F-35 pieces of shit. I've been saying for years that our politicians are traitors, and yes our military intelligence has aided and abetted a foreign power in spying against Danish interests. Traitors.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  It’s just off topic and a beaten horse. Here is another thread on FP on the same topic and a much better discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27338555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27338555
  - mekkkkkk 5y ago
    In a thread about the US leveraging diplomacy to sway intelligence and military, the F-35 discussion seems to be well on topic. You might be tired of the horse flogging, but that's not really relevant.
lordnacho 5y ago
It's been in the Danish broadsheets, the stuff he mentions. I think it's reasonable what his complaints are, it just sounds like a rant because it's so wasteful.
socialdemocrat 5y ago
The F35 purchase is part of the outcome of the illegal spying. Or rather there are good reasons to believe so. The US spies to get an upper hand in negotiations like this. It was the same deal in a Norway with F35 and many other cases. When it comes to the US, there are so many irregularities and broken standard procedures.
flohofwoe 5y ago
The F-35 purchase is absolutely relevant because the NSA has been caught in similar shenanigans before and even in plain old industrial espionage in other European NATO countries. Not sure how much of the outrage has reached the US, but here are some German sources from 2015 and 2017. I guess if this hadn't been uncovered, Germany would fly F-35s now as well: https://netzpolitik.org/2015/internes-dokument-belegt-bnd-und-bundeskanzleramt-wussten-von-wirtschaftsspionage-der-usa-gegen-deutschland/ https://netzpolitik.org/2015/internes-dokument-belegt-bnd-un... https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article162217929/So-spionieren-Geheimdienste-deutsche-Firmen-aus.html https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article162217929/So-spioniere... https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/nsa-airbus-plant-strafanzeige-wegen-industriespionage-a-1031615.html https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/nsa-airbus-pla...
tored 5y ago
It has been previously revealed that this scandal includes espionage against Swedish military industry, like the company SAAB, manufacturer of fighter jet Gripen, competitor of F-35.

a0-prw 5y ago

It's not rant. It's justified indignation. We should definitely not have bought those F-35 pieces of shit. I've been saying for years that our politicians are traitors, and yes our military intelligence has aided and abetted a foreign power in spying against Danish interests. Traitors.

systemvoltage 5y ago
It’s just off topic and a beaten horse. Here is another thread on FP on the same topic and a much better discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27338555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27338555
- mekkkkkk 5y ago
  In a thread about the US leveraging diplomacy to sway intelligence and military, the F-35 discussion seems to be well on topic. You might be tired of the horse flogging, but that's not really relevant.

lordnacho 5y ago

It's been in the Danish broadsheets, the stuff he mentions. I think it's reasonable what his complaints are, it just sounds like a rant because it's so wasteful.

socialdemocrat 5y ago

The F35 purchase is part of the outcome of the illegal spying. Or rather there are good reasons to believe so. The US spies to get an upper hand in negotiations like this. It was the same deal in a Norway with F35 and many other cases. When it comes to the US, there are so many irregularities and broken standard procedures.

flohofwoe 5y ago

The F-35 purchase is absolutely relevant because the NSA has been caught in similar shenanigans before and even in plain old industrial espionage in other European NATO countries. Not sure how much of the outrage has reached the US, but here are some German sources from 2015 and 2017. I guess if this hadn't been uncovered, Germany would fly F-35s now as well: https://netzpolitik.org/2015/internes-dokument-belegt-bnd-und-bundeskanzleramt-wussten-von-wirtschaftsspionage-der-usa-gegen-deutschland/ https://netzpolitik.org/2015/internes-dokument-belegt-bnd-un... https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article162217929/So-spionieren-Geheimdienste-deutsche-Firmen-aus.html https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article162217929/So-spioniere... https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/nsa-airbus-plant-strafanzeige-wegen-industriespionage-a-1031615.html https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/nsa-airbus-pla...

tored 5y ago

It has been previously revealed that this scandal includes espionage against Swedish military industry, like the company SAAB, manufacturer of fighter jet Gripen, competitor of F-35.