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I'm curious, what industry is offering roughly minimum wage (30k) to programmers in the US?

by mcnamaratw 5y ago

servercobra 5y ago
FWIW, that's double the federal minimum wage. I'm mostly pointing out how absolutely absurd our minimum wage is.
- mcnamaratw 5y ago
  California minimum wage. https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_minimumwage.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_minimumwage.htm
- grumpitron 5y ago
  I believe the US federal minimum wage is $7.25/hr https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/minimumwage https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/minimumwage
andi999 5y ago
Gaming? (at least here)
senko 5y ago
$30k is far beyond minimum wage in most of the world.
- lordkrandel 5y ago
  30k Euros is what I got with 5 years experience as a developer in Italy, and it's quite normal here.
- woodpanel 5y ago
  Yup. German minimun wage is 19.968 € (~ 24.353 $) Interestingly a couple of high-wage countries that come to mind don't have a minimum wage at all: Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden.
  - mcnamaratw 5y ago
    20 Euros per hour is a lot better than $30k per year.
- qris 5y ago
  Looking at the list of countries by minimum wage [1] containing data for 201 countries: * only 5 countries have nominal, effective minimum wage above $30k (Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland) * when accounting for Purchasing Power Parity no country has minimum wage allowing to buy more than $30k in US (obviously ignoring Argentina, as it data is not reliable) Additionally earning $34,000 in 2012 made you into the richest 1 percent globally [2]. So we may guess that today $30k easily lands you in the richest 5 percent globally. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_minimum_wage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_minimum_w... [2] https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/02/27/were-all-the-1-percent/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/02/27/were-all-the-1-percent/
- muzani 5y ago
  It's about top 20% in Malaysia, which is #37 in GDP.
stephenhuey 5y ago
$30 per hour is way more than a $30,000 salary. Technically $30/hr is double that - roughly $60,000 per year. If you are a full-time employee in the U.S. then typically other benefits such as health insurance, 401k, vacation time, etc will be factored in, so typically if you were interviewing a U.S. citizen for the job, then whatever “hourly rate” the salaried employee would be at ($60k salary ~ $30/hr) should be multiplied by something like 1.3 or 1.5 for a contractor rate to account for the employee benefits they are not receiving from you. So $30 would become $40+ instead for a contract rate.
benhurmarcel 5y ago
He may not be in the US. In most of the world you can hire a junior programmer for $30k.

I'm curious, what industry is offering roughly minimum wage (30k) to programmers in the US?

servercobra 5y ago

FWIW, that's double the federal minimum wage. I'm mostly pointing out how absolutely absurd our minimum wage is.

mcnamaratw 5y ago
California minimum wage. https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_minimumwage.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_minimumwage.htm
grumpitron 5y ago
I believe the US federal minimum wage is $7.25/hr https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/minimumwage https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/minimumwage

andi999 5y ago

Gaming? (at least here)

senko 5y ago

$30k is far beyond minimum wage in most of the world.

lordkrandel 5y ago
30k Euros is what I got with 5 years experience as a developer in Italy, and it's quite normal here.
woodpanel 5y ago
Yup. German minimun wage is 19.968 € (~ 24.353 $) Interestingly a couple of high-wage countries that come to mind don't have a minimum wage at all: Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden.
- mcnamaratw 5y ago
  20 Euros per hour is a lot better than $30k per year.
qris 5y ago
Looking at the list of countries by minimum wage [1] containing data for 201 countries: * only 5 countries have nominal, effective minimum wage above $30k (Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland) * when accounting for Purchasing Power Parity no country has minimum wage allowing to buy more than $30k in US (obviously ignoring Argentina, as it data is not reliable) Additionally earning $34,000 in 2012 made you into the richest 1 percent globally [2]. So we may guess that today $30k easily lands you in the richest 5 percent globally. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_minimum_wage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_minimum_w... [2] https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/02/27/were-all-the-1-percent/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/02/27/were-all-the-1-percent/
muzani 5y ago
It's about top 20% in Malaysia, which is #37 in GDP.

stephenhuey 5y ago

$30 per hour is way more than a $30,000 salary. Technically $30/hr is double that - roughly $60,000 per year. If you are a full-time employee in the U.S. then typically other benefits such as health insurance, 401k, vacation time, etc will be factored in, so typically if you were interviewing a U.S. citizen for the job, then whatever “hourly rate” the salaried employee would be at ($60k salary ~ $30/hr) should be multiplied by something like 1.3 or 1.5 for a contractor rate to account for the employee benefits they are not receiving from you. So $30 would become $40+ instead for a contract rate.

benhurmarcel 5y ago

He may not be in the US. In most of the world you can hire a junior programmer for $30k.