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Books printed on demand are essentially garbage. Amazon basics items are the worst of the crop.

by fooker 5y ago

chrisseaton 5y ago
What’s wrong with books printed on demand?
- formerly_proven 5y ago
  I only bought one (by mistake, not knowing), which had pretty bad print quality compared to a proper four-color offset or high-end digital print. Also bad paper quality. This seems to be common.
- mandelbrotwurst 5y ago
  I think it’s that they’re often of lower quality and less durable.
- shagie 5y ago
  Paper and ink quality. Quality of the binding. This isn't so much a "all print on demand suffers from quality issues" but rather "the quality of the print on demand services is often an exercise in cost cutting." I am certain that there are POD material that are as good as the traditional book print (and there are certainly non POD that employ similar cost cutting), but rather that in general, there is more investment in quality on the larger runs of a paperback book.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    If you’re buying the book for the content not as an art item or for archiving I’m sure it’s fine.
    - handrous 5y ago
      They're also not edited to fit the page well, nor with much care for typography or anything else. "Rivers" all over the place, weird page breaks, various formatting errors commonly creeping in. Page numbers in e.g. an index may not match the page numbers in the book. All kinds of problems, at least with public-domain print-on-demand, which books are surely purchased more often by accident (i.e. not realizing you're buying POD junk) than on purpose, since they're usually not meaningfully cheaper than Dover or Modern Library or whatever, and even Dover puts out a much better product. They exist to trick unwary shoppers and gift-buyers. They're basically scams, in that they're relying on buyers' mistakes to make money.
      - Dylan16807 5y ago
        Just because a book is print on demand doesn't mean it's badly formatted.
      - chrisseaton 5y ago
        > They're also not edited to fit the page well, nor with much care for typography or anything else. What does any of this have to do with printing? Those are formatting and typesetting issues. For the same final PDF it shouldn't matter how it's printed.
        handrous 5y ago
        I think posters are talking (posting?) past one another here. There's the technology of print-on-demand, which can be fine, but then there's the reality of the quality level of a typical print-on-demand book on Amazon, which is not fine and is largely used to enable scammy overpriced selling of unedited Project Gutenberg texts to unwary shoppers, low-effort piracy, and letting self-publishing authors have a printed-copy option that's not really been formatted well for print (this is aside from any copy-editing issues, which crop up regardless of the format). IOW it's usually, at best, a bad product, and at worst an actual guy-selling-fake-and-stolen-Rolexes-on-the-street-corner hustle.
    - matsemann 5y ago
      Hard to grasp the content when whole chapters are missing, though.
    - Symbiote 5y ago
      You may as well download ebooks from Library Genesis. At least the missing / repeated pages and corrupted formatting is fair at the price this way.
  - tzs 5y ago
    I remember reading several years ago about a major independent bookstore that got one of those high quality POD systems, and also installed computers for customers to use to go on Amazon to search for books and to read reviews. The customer could find the book they wanted on Amazon, purchase it for the same price or less via the bookstore's POD service, go have a snack and drink at the bookstore's cafe, and their book would be ready when they are done with that. The bookstore essentially turned Amazon into a free book research services for the bookstore's customers.
    - shagie 5y ago
      https://www.harvard.com/clubs_services/books_on_demand/ https://www.harvard.com/clubs_services/books_on_demand/ > We can print millions of titles (including Google Books) that are in the public domain, as well as thousand of publisher-permission titles right to order! The selection isn't quite the "anything that Amazon has." They also make note of the quality with some of them that are from Google Books https://www.harvard.com/ondemand/kiosk/ https://www.harvard.com/ondemand/kiosk/ > Public domain Google Books are the scanned collections of a number of libraries, including the Harvard University Library, and they may contain notations, other marks, and scanning errors. Harvard Book Store makes no representation or warranty as to the content of Google Books, and Google Books are non-returnable.
- Spooky23 5y ago
  Poor quality, rampant piracy.
devoutsalsa 5y ago
Is any store’s generic brand actually good? Maybe Kirkland at Costco is alright.
- WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
  Sure. Sometimes they're better than brand. When price is no issue, my basket will be a mix of store and name brands.
- klipt 5y ago
  Kirkland is great. I've also found Target's generic brands to be fine for many basic items.
- sharkweek 5y ago
  Kirkland Signature is reliably great, especially in comparison with other store brands. I’m a bit of a Costco fanboy though, in full transparency. My partner and I used to argue over who gets to make the monthly Costco run but now we just make it into a big family outing (Friday evenings are an amazing time to shop there).
- caturopath 5y ago
  I don't really have complaints about store brands in general, I think the quality I see is par for the course for non-high-end brand-name items, especially for non-food items (where some are better than brand name or white labels of popular brands, but the average quality seems lower). I have had good experiences with Amazon Basics and Amazon's clothing brands.
- MAGZine 5y ago
  The vast majority of the time the store brand is manufactured by one of the competitors anyhow.
- MarkusWandel 5y ago
  Around here (Ontario, Canada), Loblaws "President's Choice" and Metro "Irresistibles" are good. Both chains have a lower tier of branding, "No Name" for the former and "Selection" for the latter. Agreed that Costco's "Kirkland Signature" is reliably OK.
IggleSniggle 5y ago
I’ve only used Amazon Basics for keyboards, wired mice, batteries, and hdmi cables. The keyboard/mouse are basically best-in-class for budget items imho. I’m honestly not sure about the batteries or hdmi cables. But my appreciation for the brand makes me wonder about your own experience.
- Marsymars 5y ago
  AmazonBasics is very hit and miss. Some of it is cheap crap. Some of it is made by best-in-class manufacturers and just labelled as “AmazonBasics” and sold more cheaply.

Books printed on demand are essentially garbage. Amazon basics items are the worst of the crop.

by fooker 5y ago

Books printed on demand are essentially garbage. Amazon basics items are the worst of the crop.

chrisseaton 5y ago

What’s wrong with books printed on demand?

formerly_proven 5y ago
I only bought one (by mistake, not knowing), which had pretty bad print quality compared to a proper four-color offset or high-end digital print. Also bad paper quality. This seems to be common.
mandelbrotwurst 5y ago
I think it’s that they’re often of lower quality and less durable.
shagie 5y ago
Paper and ink quality. Quality of the binding. This isn't so much a "all print on demand suffers from quality issues" but rather "the quality of the print on demand services is often an exercise in cost cutting." I am certain that there are POD material that are as good as the traditional book print (and there are certainly non POD that employ similar cost cutting), but rather that in general, there is more investment in quality on the larger runs of a paperback book.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  If you’re buying the book for the content not as an art item or for archiving I’m sure it’s fine.
  - handrous 5y ago
    They're also not edited to fit the page well, nor with much care for typography or anything else. "Rivers" all over the place, weird page breaks, various formatting errors commonly creeping in. Page numbers in e.g. an index may not match the page numbers in the book. All kinds of problems, at least with public-domain print-on-demand, which books are surely purchased more often by accident (i.e. not realizing you're buying POD junk) than on purpose, since they're usually not meaningfully cheaper than Dover or Modern Library or whatever, and even Dover puts out a much better product. They exist to trick unwary shoppers and gift-buyers. They're basically scams, in that they're relying on buyers' mistakes to make money.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      Just because a book is print on demand doesn't mean it's badly formatted.
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      > They're also not edited to fit the page well, nor with much care for typography or anything else. What does any of this have to do with printing? Those are formatting and typesetting issues. For the same final PDF it shouldn't matter how it's printed.
      - handrous 5y ago
        I think posters are talking (posting?) past one another here. There's the technology of print-on-demand, which can be fine, but then there's the reality of the quality level of a typical print-on-demand book on Amazon, which is not fine and is largely used to enable scammy overpriced selling of unedited Project Gutenberg texts to unwary shoppers, low-effort piracy, and letting self-publishing authors have a printed-copy option that's not really been formatted well for print (this is aside from any copy-editing issues, which crop up regardless of the format). IOW it's usually, at best, a bad product, and at worst an actual guy-selling-fake-and-stolen-Rolexes-on-the-street-corner hustle.
  - matsemann 5y ago
    Hard to grasp the content when whole chapters are missing, though.
  - Symbiote 5y ago
    You may as well download ebooks from Library Genesis. At least the missing / repeated pages and corrupted formatting is fair at the price this way.
- tzs 5y ago
  I remember reading several years ago about a major independent bookstore that got one of those high quality POD systems, and also installed computers for customers to use to go on Amazon to search for books and to read reviews. The customer could find the book they wanted on Amazon, purchase it for the same price or less via the bookstore's POD service, go have a snack and drink at the bookstore's cafe, and their book would be ready when they are done with that. The bookstore essentially turned Amazon into a free book research services for the bookstore's customers.
  - shagie 5y ago
    https://www.harvard.com/clubs_services/books_on_demand/ https://www.harvard.com/clubs_services/books_on_demand/ > We can print millions of titles (including Google Books) that are in the public domain, as well as thousand of publisher-permission titles right to order! The selection isn't quite the "anything that Amazon has." They also make note of the quality with some of them that are from Google Books https://www.harvard.com/ondemand/kiosk/ https://www.harvard.com/ondemand/kiosk/ > Public domain Google Books are the scanned collections of a number of libraries, including the Harvard University Library, and they may contain notations, other marks, and scanning errors. Harvard Book Store makes no representation or warranty as to the content of Google Books, and Google Books are non-returnable.
Spooky23 5y ago
Poor quality, rampant piracy.

devoutsalsa 5y ago

Is any store’s generic brand actually good? Maybe Kirkland at Costco is alright.

WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
Sure. Sometimes they're better than brand. When price is no issue, my basket will be a mix of store and name brands.
klipt 5y ago
Kirkland is great. I've also found Target's generic brands to be fine for many basic items.
sharkweek 5y ago
Kirkland Signature is reliably great, especially in comparison with other store brands. I’m a bit of a Costco fanboy though, in full transparency. My partner and I used to argue over who gets to make the monthly Costco run but now we just make it into a big family outing (Friday evenings are an amazing time to shop there).
caturopath 5y ago
I don't really have complaints about store brands in general, I think the quality I see is par for the course for non-high-end brand-name items, especially for non-food items (where some are better than brand name or white labels of popular brands, but the average quality seems lower). I have had good experiences with Amazon Basics and Amazon's clothing brands.
MAGZine 5y ago
The vast majority of the time the store brand is manufactured by one of the competitors anyhow.
MarkusWandel 5y ago
Around here (Ontario, Canada), Loblaws "President's Choice" and Metro "Irresistibles" are good. Both chains have a lower tier of branding, "No Name" for the former and "Selection" for the latter. Agreed that Costco's "Kirkland Signature" is reliably OK.

IggleSniggle 5y ago

I’ve only used Amazon Basics for keyboards, wired mice, batteries, and hdmi cables. The keyboard/mouse are basically best-in-class for budget items imho. I’m honestly not sure about the batteries or hdmi cables. But my appreciation for the brand makes me wonder about your own experience.

Marsymars 5y ago
AmazonBasics is very hit and miss. Some of it is cheap crap. Some of it is made by best-in-class manufacturers and just labelled as “AmazonBasics” and sold more cheaply.