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This, and the current “sober” posts on r/ExperiencedDevs, makes me think of Herodotus describing the way the Persians made important decisions - once sober, onc
by frereubu 5y ago
This, and the current “sober” posts on r/ExperiencedDevs, makes me think of Herodotus describing the way the Persians made important decisions - once sober, once drunk, and if the drunk and sober decisions were the same they knew it was a good one.
- rcpt 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas Is the phrase. Useful if you want to appear cultured at a company party.
- frereubu 5y agoThis is right for the drunken dev thoughts, but not for the Herodotus example. "In vino veritas" - in wine there is truth - means that people expose their true thoughts when they're drunk rather than the filtered version they might present when sober, but the story of the Persians is more about the fact that there's value in considering both drunk and sober reactions, particularly when they tally.
- Demeno 5y agoIn Hebrew we have "נכנס יין - יצא סוד", loosely translates to "Wine entered - secret came out".
- lazyant 5y agoor "children and drunks tell the truth"
- gautamnarula 5y agoReminds me of Hemingway's "Write drunk, edit sober."
- edoceo 5y agoNot for code tho. I've never seen booze help make good code
- tsimionescu 5y agoThere was an old xkcd about this, though I will admit I have never experienced this: https://xkcd.com/323/ https://xkcd.com/323/
- topkai22 5y agoOh the Ballmer peak definitely exists for POCs, school work and side projects. A couple beers in and then you lose the fear of doing something stupid and start cranking out code. Not sure about producfion code though, the values are different
- edoceo 5y agoI'll admit to banging out v0.0.0 code with a buzz. Mostly it's comments and shit-code as documentation. Sober eyes and test cases before production. So maybe write drunk, edit sober does work
- disgruntledphd2 5y agoWrite drunk, test sober?
- xzel 5y agoSort of a guilty secret but I used to save POC work for right after a company talk or party and a few beers. I could spew out a few hundred lines of code that was a bit messy but was got the job done. I’d go over it and clean it all up the next morning. Almost always an incredibly productive exercise for me but ymmv.
- hutzlibu 5y agoAlcohol really does not help me with code either (except maybe a relaxing beer), but Marijuhana works(occasionally). But you really, really need to do the sober clean up part. Otherwise it becomes a mess.
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- rewgs 5y agoI find “write sober, review drunk” to be much better advice.
- lukifer 5y agohttps://theuserisdrunk.com/ https://theuserisdrunk.com/
- nojokes 5y agoWrite code drunk, write tests sober?
- TwelveNights 5y agoThe Persians also have an expression for "drunkenness and truthfulness", masti o rasti. مستی و راستی
- dhosek 5y agoThere’s also Pliny the Elder, in vino veritas (in wine there's truth, for the non-classicists in the audience).
- wiml 5y agoI think Tacitus had a similar anecdote about the Germans. (Even without getting drunk, I've always found it useful to consider a hard decision once analytically and once intuitively, and if I don't agree with myself, think about it some more.)