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That stinks. I'm on Fastmail but its hard point has to do with being based in Australia and the recent government efforts of forcing entities to comply with pol

That stinks. I'm on Fastmail but its hard point has to do with being based in Australia and the recent government efforts of forcing entities to comply with police inquiries. Fastmail's side of the story: https://fastmail.blog/legal-policy/aabill-and-fastmail/ https://fastmail.blog/legal-policy/aabill-and-fastmail/

Tarq0n 5y ago
Being subject to state surveillance and surveillance capitalism are related but different concerns.
ocdtrekkie 5y ago
Fastmail rightly points out that the Australian law has no meaningful impact on them. They do not offer an end-to-end encrypted service, and hence, don't need to backdoor it. The vast majority of mail services will hand your data to the government on court order. Though if your mail is hosted in a different country than you live in, it's arguably more frustrating for them to do so, since they must use international agreements to get it. If state ordered surveillance is in your threat model, you need a very different type of mail service than almost everyone else.
- pbhjpbhj 5y ago
  >it's arguably more frustrating for them to do so, since they must use international agreements to get it. // Caution, abject speculation: I thought spooks like this kind of thing because they can do illegal things in other jurisdictions that they're restrained from doing in their own - or get foreign agents to spy on you to avoid getting a warrant. Like they can route traffic to another country, then have affects there hack you to avoid laws that curtail actions against your own citizens. I don't know, just seemed like one point of groups like Five-eyes.
  - laurent92 5y ago
    But in any case, they are not buddies, not even colleagues in the same office floor. They at least need to find contacts in the remote country and persuade them to spend time for their task. Sometimes that’s all it takes to prevent them from passively collecting signals, unless you are an important target.

Tarq0n 5y ago

Being subject to state surveillance and surveillance capitalism are related but different concerns.

ocdtrekkie 5y ago

Fastmail rightly points out that the Australian law has no meaningful impact on them. They do not offer an end-to-end encrypted service, and hence, don't need to backdoor it. The vast majority of mail services will hand your data to the government on court order. Though if your mail is hosted in a different country than you live in, it's arguably more frustrating for them to do so, since they must use international agreements to get it. If state ordered surveillance is in your threat model, you need a very different type of mail service than almost everyone else.

pbhjpbhj 5y ago
>it's arguably more frustrating for them to do so, since they must use international agreements to get it. // Caution, abject speculation: I thought spooks like this kind of thing because they can do illegal things in other jurisdictions that they're restrained from doing in their own - or get foreign agents to spy on you to avoid getting a warrant. Like they can route traffic to another country, then have affects there hack you to avoid laws that curtail actions against your own citizens. I don't know, just seemed like one point of groups like Five-eyes.
- laurent92 5y ago
  But in any case, they are not buddies, not even colleagues in the same office floor. They at least need to find contacts in the remote country and persuade them to spend time for their task. Sometimes that’s all it takes to prevent them from passively collecting signals, unless you are an important target.