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If you wanna be urgent I got three words for ya: - Aeroplanes - Cars - Supermarkets We try to minimize usage of those and we're trying. We're not

If you wanna be urgent I got three words for ya: - Aeroplanes - Cars - Supermarkets We try to minimize usage of those and we're trying. We're not trying and thinking that renewabling crypto is going make a difference here is underestimating the level of shit we're already in with or without crypto.

blowski 5y ago
It's not either/or. The key is reducing waste wherever we find it.
- Quarrelsome 5y ago
  sure but the op of that thread acted like we just renewable bitcoin and job done. WE WERE FUCKED BEFORE BITCOIN.
api 5y ago
Uhh... no. Air travel for example was 2.5% of global CO2 emissions in 2018. This kind of nonsense is almost as bad as denialism because it pushes the false "we can't radically cut CO2 without abandoning all modern technology!" narrative. Yes, we absolutely can. Coal burning and only coal burning accounts for a whopping 61% of global manmade CO2 emissions. That means oil, gas, and agriculture are responsible for less than 50% of global emissions combined. Phasing out coal for electricity generation in favor of renewables and nuclear is by far the #1 thing we can do. We could stop using airplanes entirely and it would make no measurable impact compared to closing even 10% of all global coal power plants. The narrative should be that coal is the enemy. Keep it simple and bang the drum: coal, coal, coal. After coal there's a long tail of CO2 emitters and the next one to tackle is the next largest. That's probably oil for land and sea transport, which is far easier to replace with alternatives (mostly EVs) than aviation. By the time we get rid of >50% of coal power we might already have replaced a double digit percentage of the car fleet with EVs. Air travel at 2.5% is not even worth bringing up.
- Quarrelsome 5y ago
  Sorry are we suggesting that bitcoin is more than air travel? A significant issue is that we can't electrify international air travel. The 2.5% remains relevant. > we can't radically cut CO2 without abandoning all modern technology! That's you projecting, I never said that and you're basically trying to reject my input by misrepresenting me as a dismissible hippy which is a disgraceful way to debate.
- y04nn 5y ago
  You also need to increase taxes on imports from countries that burn coals if you ban coal. There is no point banning coal to import solar panels or EV car parts that are produced with cheap coal electricity.
  - api 5y ago
    Yes, that has to be part of the picture. Otherwise manufacturing will be a race to the environmental bottom (as it is today).

blowski 5y ago

It's not either/or. The key is reducing waste wherever we find it.

Quarrelsome 5y ago
sure but the op of that thread acted like we just renewable bitcoin and job done. WE WERE FUCKED BEFORE BITCOIN.

api 5y ago

Uhh... no. Air travel for example was 2.5% of global CO2 emissions in 2018. This kind of nonsense is almost as bad as denialism because it pushes the false "we can't radically cut CO2 without abandoning all modern technology!" narrative. Yes, we absolutely can. Coal burning and only coal burning accounts for a whopping 61% of global manmade CO2 emissions. That means oil, gas, and agriculture are responsible for less than 50% of global emissions combined. Phasing out coal for electricity generation in favor of renewables and nuclear is by far the #1 thing we can do. We could stop using airplanes entirely and it would make no measurable impact compared to closing even 10% of all global coal power plants. The narrative should be that coal is the enemy. Keep it simple and bang the drum: coal, coal, coal. After coal there's a long tail of CO2 emitters and the next one to tackle is the next largest. That's probably oil for land and sea transport, which is far easier to replace with alternatives (mostly EVs) than aviation. By the time we get rid of >50% of coal power we might already have replaced a double digit percentage of the car fleet with EVs. Air travel at 2.5% is not even worth bringing up.

Quarrelsome 5y ago
Sorry are we suggesting that bitcoin is more than air travel? A significant issue is that we can't electrify international air travel. The 2.5% remains relevant. > we can't radically cut CO2 without abandoning all modern technology! That's you projecting, I never said that and you're basically trying to reject my input by misrepresenting me as a dismissible hippy which is a disgraceful way to debate.
y04nn 5y ago
You also need to increase taxes on imports from countries that burn coals if you ban coal. There is no point banning coal to import solar panels or EV car parts that are produced with cheap coal electricity.
- api 5y ago
  Yes, that has to be part of the picture. Otherwise manufacturing will be a race to the environmental bottom (as it is today).