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I am currently as we speak in Nebraska because my mother-in-law who is in her early sixties, suffered cardiac arrest hours after getting her second shot of Pfiz

by JPKab 5y ago

I am currently as we speak in Nebraska because my mother-in-law who is in her early sixties, suffered cardiac arrest hours after getting her second shot of Pfizer. She is now in a coma and it doesn't look like she's going to wake up. To your point the doctors immediately refuse to say a word about the vaccine or even considerate as a potential causal factor. Only after several days of tests where they determine that there was absolutely nothing wrong with her heart, have they now considered that the vaccine may have been a cause. And additionally no they have not reported this to VAERS. And with the covid protocols in hospitals not allowing most of us in, my wife and her sister aren't very assertive, and therefore haven't pushed.

giantg2 5y ago
I'm sorry to hear that. I'm pretty sure they are legally required to report it if there was a death or near death issue. I'm not sure what the timeframe is for when it stops being required to be reported (I would think same day would be a no brainer). https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html
AuryGlenz 5y ago
My mom refuses to be vaccinated because my grandma’s health tanked (and then she died) after taking the vaccine. She was old, so, you know - who knows. Certainly it was worth the risk at her age. It’s concerning though that if it does come out at a later date that there are more vaccine complications than we think due to how rushed this is... it will really hurt vaccine confidence. It’s a shame they were politicized. My mother-in-law keeps on asking if I’ve been vaccinated, even though I had a serious case of COVID in December. She also disapproves of my wife, who is pregnant, not getting the vaccine. I’ve seen YouTube put forward videos on their front page trying to convince pregnant women to be vaccinated. It’s crazy. Chances are it’d be fine, especially with the mRNA vaccines. But my wife was already exposed when I had it, can still work from home, and confirmed cases are in free fall. It’s like people have completely disregarded risk/reward due to their political affiliation, and that goes both ways.
- giantg2 5y ago
  Well said. The value proposition is different for everyone. I've noticed a bunch of false or misapplied statements from both sides too. I went to dinner with my in-laws. They were supposed to get an outdoor table but ended up getting an indoor one since they are vaccinated (I think in an effort to pressure me). My father-in-law was giving me all sorts of nonsense about not being vaccinated even though I'm low risk in both lifestyle and comorbidities. I WFH, only go to the food store or distanced outdoor events, I use an N95 mask (that I had from woodworking). I plan to hold off on the vaccine until I go back to the office. At that point there should be a few more month of data for me to look at (even though the data quality in VAERS is abysmal due to lack of reporting). He thought my plan of waiting was stupid. Even after vaccination, he has a .2% chance of fatality based on age and comorbidities. Unvaccinated I have a .03% chance (likely very much lower but can't find the numbers without comorbidities in my age group). How can he criticize someone with vastly lower risk? There is a point of diminishing return too. If I get the vaccine I eliminate .0285% risk, while it eliminates 3.8% for him. Clearly it provides more value to some than others.
- JPKab 5y ago
  I caught it in mid-February and had virtually no symptoms except for loss of sense of smell. I have very high levels of antibodies and was advised by my doctor to hold off on getting the vaccine. Several coworkers in mine have insisted that I get the vaccine or they will not participate in a picnic where I am present. They are all vaccinated so I don't really understand the reasoning, but I think there's some strong psychology at play just like your mother-in-law. I'm pretty racked with guilt at this point because I was strongly encouraging my mother-in-law to get the vaccine so she would stop living like a shut-in. My wife just came home from the hospital and it's official: Her brain activity has continued to deteriorate to a point where she is brain dead. It turns out that there are several cardiac arrest events for every 100,000 shots administered. So it is a rare event but not as rare as many people think. Obviously the media isn't going to report, because it would cause millions to not get vaccinated. It's understandable, but yeah, my head is exploding right now.....
  - giantg2 5y ago

by JPKab 5y ago

giantg2 5y ago

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm pretty sure they are legally required to report it if there was a death or near death issue. I'm not sure what the timeframe is for when it stops being required to be reported (I would think same day would be a no brainer). https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html

AuryGlenz 5y ago

My mom refuses to be vaccinated because my grandma’s health tanked (and then she died) after taking the vaccine. She was old, so, you know - who knows. Certainly it was worth the risk at her age. It’s concerning though that if it does come out at a later date that there are more vaccine complications than we think due to how rushed this is... it will really hurt vaccine confidence. It’s a shame they were politicized. My mother-in-law keeps on asking if I’ve been vaccinated, even though I had a serious case of COVID in December. She also disapproves of my wife, who is pregnant, not getting the vaccine. I’ve seen YouTube put forward videos on their front page trying to convince pregnant women to be vaccinated. It’s crazy. Chances are it’d be fine, especially with the mRNA vaccines. But my wife was already exposed when I had it, can still work from home, and confirmed cases are in free fall. It’s like people have completely disregarded risk/reward due to their political affiliation, and that goes both ways.

giantg2 5y ago
Well said. The value proposition is different for everyone. I've noticed a bunch of false or misapplied statements from both sides too. I went to dinner with my in-laws. They were supposed to get an outdoor table but ended up getting an indoor one since they are vaccinated (I think in an effort to pressure me). My father-in-law was giving me all sorts of nonsense about not being vaccinated even though I'm low risk in both lifestyle and comorbidities. I WFH, only go to the food store or distanced outdoor events, I use an N95 mask (that I had from woodworking). I plan to hold off on the vaccine until I go back to the office. At that point there should be a few more month of data for me to look at (even though the data quality in VAERS is abysmal due to lack of reporting). He thought my plan of waiting was stupid. Even after vaccination, he has a .2% chance of fatality based on age and comorbidities. Unvaccinated I have a .03% chance (likely very much lower but can't find the numbers without comorbidities in my age group). How can he criticize someone with vastly lower risk? There is a point of diminishing return too. If I get the vaccine I eliminate .0285% risk, while it eliminates 3.8% for him. Clearly it provides more value to some than others.
JPKab 5y ago
I caught it in mid-February and had virtually no symptoms except for loss of sense of smell. I have very high levels of antibodies and was advised by my doctor to hold off on getting the vaccine. Several coworkers in mine have insisted that I get the vaccine or they will not participate in a picnic where I am present. They are all vaccinated so I don't really understand the reasoning, but I think there's some strong psychology at play just like your mother-in-law. I'm pretty racked with guilt at this point because I was strongly encouraging my mother-in-law to get the vaccine so she would stop living like a shut-in. My wife just came home from the hospital and it's official: Her brain activity has continued to deteriorate to a point where she is brain dead. It turns out that there are several cardiac arrest events for every 100,000 shots administered. So it is a rare event but not as rare as many people think. Obviously the media isn't going to report, because it would cause millions to not get vaccinated. It's understandable, but yeah, my head is exploding right now.....
- giantg2 5y ago