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Do you get assigned the role of dissident at birth? Or do we rather choose it based on living in places with particular regimes? A more valid question would be:

Do you get assigned the role of dissident at birth? Or do we rather choose it based on living in places with particular regimes? A more valid question would be: where would you rather live if you were glorifying Azov brigades? The answer would apparently be: the West. And you know where Snowden chose to live and why. So it appears that people more aligned with my (and generally accepted) values tend to prefer Russia and its allies, with a good reason.

vbezhenar 5y ago
Do you think that Snowden prefers to live in Russia because of his values or because of his safety?
- lazyjones 5y ago
  Because his values made him a dissident in the West, where he is in danger.
  - vbezhenar 5y ago
    He's dissident because he breached the laws and revealed secret information. Russia has similar laws and he would be convicted in Russia for similar acts. And, I guess, in any other country.
    - ithkuil 5y ago
      "I love treason but hate a traitor" -- Julius Caesar
  - jamespo 5y ago
    Magnitsky says hello. Or rather he doesn't.
  - indigochill 5y ago
    A dissident in the US and its buddies, specifically. Iceland is still "the west" and was where Snowden said he'd have liked to move, but they'd have needed to offer him asylum and for that he'd have been required to apply in person and he was just not in the right place at the right time for that to happen (since he had concerns at the time that it would have been easier for the US to lean on Iceland than Hong Kong).
axiosgunnar 5y ago
> So it appears that people more aligned with my (and generally accepted) values tend to prefer Russia and its allies This is objectively false, since there are way more refugees chosing to go to Russia and its allies (Snowden and who else?) than the other way round (thousands every year).
- lazyjones 5y ago
  The quantity says nothing about the reasons.
  - sobellian 5y ago
    There are plenty of folks who have left Russia for the US because they can't stand the corruption. Perhaps you just haven't met any of them.
    - lazyjones 5y ago
      If that's their only reason, they're in for a big surprise when they find out about corruption in the West.
littlestymaar 5y ago
> And you know where Snowden chose to live and why. Nitpick: Snowden chose to live in South America actually (Bolivia or Equador) he was just in transit in Moscow but he was just never given the right to onboard the plane again after the US canceled his passport.

vbezhenar 5y ago

Do you think that Snowden prefers to live in Russia because of his values or because of his safety?

lazyjones 5y ago
Because his values made him a dissident in the West, where he is in danger.
- vbezhenar 5y ago
  He's dissident because he breached the laws and revealed secret information. Russia has similar laws and he would be convicted in Russia for similar acts. And, I guess, in any other country.
  - ithkuil 5y ago
    "I love treason but hate a traitor" -- Julius Caesar
- jamespo 5y ago
  Magnitsky says hello. Or rather he doesn't.
- indigochill 5y ago
  A dissident in the US and its buddies, specifically. Iceland is still "the west" and was where Snowden said he'd have liked to move, but they'd have needed to offer him asylum and for that he'd have been required to apply in person and he was just not in the right place at the right time for that to happen (since he had concerns at the time that it would have been easier for the US to lean on Iceland than Hong Kong).

axiosgunnar 5y ago

> So it appears that people more aligned with my (and generally accepted) values tend to prefer Russia and its allies This is objectively false, since there are way more refugees chosing to go to Russia and its allies (Snowden and who else?) than the other way round (thousands every year).

lazyjones 5y ago
The quantity says nothing about the reasons.
- sobellian 5y ago
  There are plenty of folks who have left Russia for the US because they can't stand the corruption. Perhaps you just haven't met any of them.
  - lazyjones 5y ago
    If that's their only reason, they're in for a big surprise when they find out about corruption in the West.

littlestymaar 5y ago

> And you know where Snowden chose to live and why. Nitpick: Snowden chose to live in South America actually (Bolivia or Equador) he was just in transit in Moscow but he was just never given the right to onboard the plane again after the US canceled his passport.