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> China creates more CO2 than the rest of the world combined. I've never seen a murderer walk free by telling a judge "this other guy did more murders than me"

> China creates more CO2 than the rest of the world combined. I've never seen a murderer walk free by telling a judge "this other guy did more murders than me". > giving China a free pass What is this "free pass" of which you speak? > All the models are in silica Utter bollocks. Babbage never built his analytical engine, so I doubt Fourier, Foote and their contemporaries were using climate modelling software.

ppf 5y ago
>What is this "free pass" of which you speak? We gladly buy almost everything from China (lithium batteries, electronics, wind turbines, solar panels, all of which take a tremendous amount of energy to manufacture), without ever asking if they were made in a "CO2 neutral" way.
- chriswarbo 5y ago
  Oops, sorry I forgot that there's no such thing as life-cycle assessment, amortised cost analysis, payback periods or any of the similar analyses performed every day by engineers, purchasers, operators, accountants, companies and governments. I guess they haven't been invented yet. Sounds like you've found a gap in the market; why not pitch it to YC?
  - ppf 5y ago
    Oddly enough, I don't see a "carbon-neutral" lifecycle assesment done for all the solar panels on the market. Or on an EV, discounting the ridiculous "carbon exchange" system.
- rkk3 5y ago
  It's really not free... there is a tremendous cost to their population's health and their environment (air, water). It's shocking and tragic to see but their hospitals are full of children dealing with respiratory problems from pollution.
- imtringued 5y ago
  If China did nothing but produce those things then we should praise China because all its CO2 emissions exist for the sake of reducing CO2 emissions. The real problem is that they also produce everything else.
  - ppf 5y ago
    Sure, except that rulings like the one in this article hinder western countries from being able to do the same (that is, manufacture their own solar panels and other energy-intensive "renewable" products).

ppf 5y ago

>What is this "free pass" of which you speak? We gladly buy almost everything from China (lithium batteries, electronics, wind turbines, solar panels, all of which take a tremendous amount of energy to manufacture), without ever asking if they were made in a "CO2 neutral" way.

chriswarbo 5y ago
Oops, sorry I forgot that there's no such thing as life-cycle assessment, amortised cost analysis, payback periods or any of the similar analyses performed every day by engineers, purchasers, operators, accountants, companies and governments. I guess they haven't been invented yet. Sounds like you've found a gap in the market; why not pitch it to YC?
- ppf 5y ago
  Oddly enough, I don't see a "carbon-neutral" lifecycle assesment done for all the solar panels on the market. Or on an EV, discounting the ridiculous "carbon exchange" system.
rkk3 5y ago
It's really not free... there is a tremendous cost to their population's health and their environment (air, water). It's shocking and tragic to see but their hospitals are full of children dealing with respiratory problems from pollution.
imtringued 5y ago
If China did nothing but produce those things then we should praise China because all its CO2 emissions exist for the sake of reducing CO2 emissions. The real problem is that they also produce everything else.
- ppf 5y ago
  Sure, except that rulings like the one in this article hinder western countries from being able to do the same (that is, manufacture their own solar panels and other energy-intensive "renewable" products).