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Yeah, that doesn’t match my expectation at all. Does that commenter think that you should always have multiple job offers before giving notice to your current j

by cbsks 5y ago

Yeah, that doesn’t match my expectation at all. Does that commenter think that you should always have multiple job offers before giving notice to your current job?

cercatrova 5y ago
Yes? Isn't the common advice that you should have multiple offers in hand before giving notice? Or do you give notice without an offer?
- babelfish 5y ago
  The middle ground here, and what most people do, is giving notice when you have one (1) offer in hand. You shouldn't need multiple
  - cercatrova 5y ago
    Do you not negotiate between companies who've given you offers? That's standard advice for tech workers that I've heard and used.
    - benhurmarcel 5y ago
      It's unlikely to get several offers being in negotiation at the same time. If you manage to do it it's obviously better, but hard to synchronize.
- stormbrew 5y ago
  If you're hoping to negotiate a counter from your current employer maybe you should have multiple, it probably gives you a stronger hand. If you're leaving either way why would you? And this isn't about 0 offers vs. many, it's 1 offer vs. many.
  - cercatrova 5y ago
    You'd negotiate between the companies that gave you offers, not between you and your current employer, although you can do that too but it's not recommended, due to them knowing you'll leave.
    - stormbrew 5y ago
      ok but that's still not really what this is about. Leveraging multiple offers for better pay is a solid strategy for a particular fiscal goal, but it's not something that's advised (that I've ever seen) to avoid the situation described in this post (an accepted offer being revoked). Nor does it really protect you anyways, if you accept one of those offers and then reject the others after your starting date, but the one you picked lets you go the next day you'll still be in a very weakened negotiating position again when you come back for a do-over on the other offers.
- Judgmentality 5y ago
  You want to have multiple offers because it helps you leverage yourself to higher pay during negotiations, and it also gives you more choices to decide where to go next. You want to have a offer before giving notice just so you know what's next, and obviously you shouldn't do this if you don't intend on accepting the only offer you have. If you have no offers you can quit, but you have no guarantee of finding a job immediately and it also can hurt your leverage while negotiating.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    This kinda goes against what OP is against though, no? If you have multiple offer letters, chances are multiple other companies have stopped their job search (especially if they don't want to lead on other candidates).
    - cercatrova 5y ago
      Not necessarily, sometimes companies will oversubscribe to offers, ie hand out multiple offers but only take one of them, because they know many people could decline so they don't want to be stuck with no one. Same philosophy on the employee side, not beneficial to ride everything on only one offer.
      - cbsks 5y ago
        What companies do you know that do that (besides Tesla, apparently)?
      - justaguy88 5y ago
        I guess it's time to start insisting that signing bonus doesn't have a 1 year cliff
- jpm_sd 5y ago
  I've been working for 20 years and I've had 6 different jobs. I have never once had multiple simultaneous offers for new jobs. In my experience it's been offer; acceptance; agree on start date; then give notice.
  - cercatrova 5y ago
    Interesting. That has not been my experience at all. For every job I'd get multiple simultaneous offers then use them for leverage against each other one, then accept the best one.

by cbsks 5y ago

Yeah, that doesn’t match my expectation at all. Does that commenter think that you should always have multiple job offers before giving notice to your current job?

cercatrova 5y ago

Yes? Isn't the common advice that you should have multiple offers in hand before giving notice? Or do you give notice without an offer?

babelfish 5y ago
The middle ground here, and what most people do, is giving notice when you have one (1) offer in hand. You shouldn't need multiple
- cercatrova 5y ago
  Do you not negotiate between companies who've given you offers? That's standard advice for tech workers that I've heard and used.
  - benhurmarcel 5y ago
    It's unlikely to get several offers being in negotiation at the same time. If you manage to do it it's obviously better, but hard to synchronize.
stormbrew 5y ago
If you're hoping to negotiate a counter from your current employer maybe you should have multiple, it probably gives you a stronger hand. If you're leaving either way why would you? And this isn't about 0 offers vs. many, it's 1 offer vs. many.
- cercatrova 5y ago
  You'd negotiate between the companies that gave you offers, not between you and your current employer, although you can do that too but it's not recommended, due to them knowing you'll leave.
  - stormbrew 5y ago
    ok but that's still not really what this is about. Leveraging multiple offers for better pay is a solid strategy for a particular fiscal goal, but it's not something that's advised (that I've ever seen) to avoid the situation described in this post (an accepted offer being revoked). Nor does it really protect you anyways, if you accept one of those offers and then reject the others after your starting date, but the one you picked lets you go the next day you'll still be in a very weakened negotiating position again when you come back for a do-over on the other offers.
Judgmentality 5y ago
You want to have multiple offers because it helps you leverage yourself to higher pay during negotiations, and it also gives you more choices to decide where to go next. You want to have a offer before giving notice just so you know what's next, and obviously you shouldn't do this if you don't intend on accepting the only offer you have. If you have no offers you can quit, but you have no guarantee of finding a job immediately and it also can hurt your leverage while negotiating.
- judge2020 5y ago
  This kinda goes against what OP is against though, no? If you have multiple offer letters, chances are multiple other companies have stopped their job search (especially if they don't want to lead on other candidates).
  - cercatrova 5y ago
    Not necessarily, sometimes companies will oversubscribe to offers, ie hand out multiple offers but only take one of them, because they know many people could decline so they don't want to be stuck with no one. Same philosophy on the employee side, not beneficial to ride everything on only one offer.
    - cbsks 5y ago
      What companies do you know that do that (besides Tesla, apparently)?
    - justaguy88 5y ago
      I guess it's time to start insisting that signing bonus doesn't have a 1 year cliff
jpm_sd 5y ago
I've been working for 20 years and I've had 6 different jobs. I have never once had multiple simultaneous offers for new jobs. In my experience it's been offer; acceptance; agree on start date; then give notice.
- cercatrova 5y ago
  Interesting. That has not been my experience at all. For every job I'd get multiple simultaneous offers then use them for leverage against each other one, then accept the best one.