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Also, emoployees can leave company any time. And they leave companies on short notices! Cuts both ways!

snotrockets 5y ago
But you may not get good refs (necessary for future employment) if you try to play by the same rules as the employer and give no notice. Even if the mandatory notice period is equal, the power balance isn't.
- Rebelgecko 5y ago
  I think the asymmetry goes both ways. If you leave a job under bad circumstances, maybe a half dozen people will hear about it in the future (and even that might be over counting... I've worked at places where you're not allowed to say anything other than "yes that person worked here worked here with that job title"). On the other hand, Charlie's ref about how Tesla treats prospective employees has been seen by thousands of people.
  - snotrockets 5y ago
    This post is going to cost Tesla sourcers a few rejected calls, a small change for them. It cost a person 6+ weeks of unemployment. There’s never a balance between employee and employer, and it is always tilted towards the employer.
- darkhorse22 5y ago
  > good refs (necessary for future employment) Unnecessary if you have chops. Interviewing a candidate's references is a sucker move anyway.
onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
Are there actually countries where employees can't quit if they want to?
- Taniwha 5y ago
  There are places where you must give a certain amount of notice, some countries (Germany I think) expect people to change jobs at particular times of the year (like only at a quarter)
- throwaway158497 5y ago
  Govt employees in India can't really quit at will. You need something called no objection certificate. For some reason that I don't understand, even software engineers give 1-2 months notice.
  - selimthegrim 5y ago
    There is some letter SWEs need from their manager there - I can’t remember what they call it
- tylerwhipple 5y ago
  When I was working in France you legally had to give 3 months notice to quit. I think there are ways around this notice period in certain situations.
  - pkaye 5y ago
    What happens if you just walk out? Any kind of penalty?
    - Chico75 5y ago
      Financial penalties can apply: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.coindusalarie.fr/contrats-travail/preavis-demission&prev=search&pto=aue https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https:/...
    - benhurmarcel 5y ago
      You get charged the equivalent of your salary for the missed days of work.
void_mint 5y ago
Not sure why you're being downvoted for stating a fact. It may not be a good idea to leave on short notice, but employees are well within their rights to quit same-day or same-minute.

But you may not get good refs (necessary for future employment) if you try to play by the same rules as the employer and give no notice. Even if the mandatory notice period is equal, the power balance isn't.

Rebelgecko 5y ago
I think the asymmetry goes both ways. If you leave a job under bad circumstances, maybe a half dozen people will hear about it in the future (and even that might be over counting... I've worked at places where you're not allowed to say anything other than "yes that person worked here worked here with that job title"). On the other hand, Charlie's ref about how Tesla treats prospective employees has been seen by thousands of people.
- snotrockets 5y ago
  This post is going to cost Tesla sourcers a few rejected calls, a small change for them. It cost a person 6+ weeks of unemployment. There’s never a balance between employee and employer, and it is always tilted towards the employer.
darkhorse22 5y ago
> good refs (necessary for future employment) Unnecessary if you have chops. Interviewing a candidate's references is a sucker move anyway.

onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago

Are there actually countries where employees can't quit if they want to?

Taniwha 5y ago
There are places where you must give a certain amount of notice, some countries (Germany I think) expect people to change jobs at particular times of the year (like only at a quarter)
throwaway158497 5y ago
Govt employees in India can't really quit at will. You need something called no objection certificate. For some reason that I don't understand, even software engineers give 1-2 months notice.
- selimthegrim 5y ago
  There is some letter SWEs need from their manager there - I can’t remember what they call it
tylerwhipple 5y ago
When I was working in France you legally had to give 3 months notice to quit. I think there are ways around this notice period in certain situations.
- pkaye 5y ago
  What happens if you just walk out? Any kind of penalty?
  - Chico75 5y ago
    Financial penalties can apply: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.coindusalarie.fr/contrats-travail/preavis-demission&prev=search&pto=aue https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https:/...
  - benhurmarcel 5y ago
    You get charged the equivalent of your salary for the missed days of work.

void_mint 5y ago

Not sure why you're being downvoted for stating a fact. It may not be a good idea to leave on short notice, but employees are well within their rights to quit same-day or same-minute.