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I am unfamiliar with the US employment law, but isn't the job offer a contract? Therefore I am assuming you would still be compensated, and its simply a matter

by jlawer 5y ago

I am unfamiliar with the US employment law, but isn't the job offer a contract? Therefore I am assuming you would still be compensated, and its simply a matter of finding your next gig? Or is this as simple as the offer could be modified and therefore your shafted?

_wldu 5y ago
In America, you're basically on your own. Unless you have a lot of cash and social connections and can afford expensive lawyers, there's not much you can do.
snotrockets 5y ago
In most of the US, employment is "at will" [sic], meaning your employment can be terminated any time for any, or no cause.
- throwaway158497 5y ago
  Also, emoployees can leave company any time. And they leave companies on short notices! Cuts both ways!
  - snotrockets 5y ago
    But you may not get good refs (necessary for future employment) if you try to play by the same rules as the employer and give no notice. Even if the mandatory notice period is equal, the power balance isn't.
    - Rebelgecko 5y ago
      I think the asymmetry goes both ways. If you leave a job under bad circumstances, maybe a half dozen people will hear about it in the future (and even that might be over counting... I've worked at places where you're not allowed to say anything other than "yes that person worked here worked here with that job title"). On the other hand, Charlie's ref about how Tesla treats prospective employees has been seen by thousands of people.
      - snotrockets 5y ago
        This post is going to cost Tesla sourcers a few rejected calls, a small change for them. It cost a person 6+ weeks of unemployment. There’s never a balance between employee and employer, and it is always tilted towards the employer.
    - darkhorse22 5y ago
      > good refs (necessary for future employment) Unnecessary if you have chops. Interviewing a candidate's references is a sucker move anyway.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
    Are there actually countries where employees can't quit if they want to?
    - Taniwha 5y ago
      There are places where you must give a certain amount of notice, some countries (Germany I think) expect people to change jobs at particular times of the year (like only at a quarter)
    - throwaway158497 5y ago
      Govt employees in India can't really quit at will. You need something called no objection certificate. For some reason that I don't understand, even software engineers give 1-2 months notice.
      - selimthegrim 5y ago
        There is some letter SWEs need from their manager there - I can’t remember what they call it
    - tylerwhipple 5y ago
      When I was working in France you legally had to give 3 months notice to quit. I think there are ways around this notice period in certain situations.
      - pkaye 5y ago
        What happens if you just walk out? Any kind of penalty?
        Chico75 5y ago
        Financial penalties can apply: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.coindusalarie.fr/contrats-travail/preavis-demission&prev=search&pto=aue https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https:/...
  - void_mint 5y ago
    Not sure why you're being downvoted for stating a fact. It may not be a good idea to leave on short notice, but employees are well within their rights to quit same-day or same-minute.
timy2shoes 5y ago
It depends. Say in the case where you quit your current job, or move, or anything where you've spent or lost money based on a promise of a job, then you might be able to recover money on the basis on Promissory estoppel: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/promissory_estoppel https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/promissory_estoppel
bigbillheck 5y ago
Sometimes you can claim promissory estoppel but decades of anti-labor laws usually mean you're out of luck.
jopsen 5y ago
Even in Denmark with lots of employee protections... The first 3 weeks is usually a trial phase where you can be fired with short notice. Though people rarely are...
pkaye 5y ago
Most jobs are "at-will employment" in the US so they can dismiss you any time and the employee can leave at any time. A decent company would try to find an alternate position in the company given that a person had just quit their old job.

by jlawer 5y ago

_wldu 5y ago

In America, you're basically on your own. Unless you have a lot of cash and social connections and can afford expensive lawyers, there's not much you can do.

snotrockets 5y ago

In most of the US, employment is "at will" [sic], meaning your employment can be terminated any time for any, or no cause.

throwaway158497 5y ago
Also, emoployees can leave company any time. And they leave companies on short notices! Cuts both ways!
- snotrockets 5y ago
  But you may not get good refs (necessary for future employment) if you try to play by the same rules as the employer and give no notice. Even if the mandatory notice period is equal, the power balance isn't.
  - Rebelgecko 5y ago
    I think the asymmetry goes both ways. If you leave a job under bad circumstances, maybe a half dozen people will hear about it in the future (and even that might be over counting... I've worked at places where you're not allowed to say anything other than "yes that person worked here worked here with that job title"). On the other hand, Charlie's ref about how Tesla treats prospective employees has been seen by thousands of people.
    - snotrockets 5y ago
      This post is going to cost Tesla sourcers a few rejected calls, a small change for them. It cost a person 6+ weeks of unemployment. There’s never a balance between employee and employer, and it is always tilted towards the employer.
  - darkhorse22 5y ago
    > good refs (necessary for future employment) Unnecessary if you have chops. Interviewing a candidate's references is a sucker move anyway.
- onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
  Are there actually countries where employees can't quit if they want to?
  - Taniwha 5y ago
    There are places where you must give a certain amount of notice, some countries (Germany I think) expect people to change jobs at particular times of the year (like only at a quarter)
  - throwaway158497 5y ago
    Govt employees in India can't really quit at will. You need something called no objection certificate. For some reason that I don't understand, even software engineers give 1-2 months notice.
    - selimthegrim 5y ago
      There is some letter SWEs need from their manager there - I can’t remember what they call it
  - tylerwhipple 5y ago
    When I was working in France you legally had to give 3 months notice to quit. I think there are ways around this notice period in certain situations.
    - pkaye 5y ago
      What happens if you just walk out? Any kind of penalty?
      - Chico75 5y ago
        Financial penalties can apply: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https://www.coindusalarie.fr/contrats-travail/preavis-demission&prev=search&pto=aue https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=https:/...
- void_mint 5y ago
  Not sure why you're being downvoted for stating a fact. It may not be a good idea to leave on short notice, but employees are well within their rights to quit same-day or same-minute.

timy2shoes 5y ago

It depends. Say in the case where you quit your current job, or move, or anything where you've spent or lost money based on a promise of a job, then you might be able to recover money on the basis on Promissory estoppel: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/promissory_estoppel https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/promissory_estoppel

bigbillheck 5y ago

Sometimes you can claim promissory estoppel but decades of anti-labor laws usually mean you're out of luck.

jopsen 5y ago

Even in Denmark with lots of employee protections... The first 3 weeks is usually a trial phase where you can be fired with short notice. Though people rarely are...

pkaye 5y ago

Most jobs are "at-will employment" in the US so they can dismiss you any time and the employee can leave at any time. A decent company would try to find an alternate position in the company given that a person had just quit their old job.