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I disagree. The comments, here, give some real meta-insight into how Google is seen in the tech world: As an unreliable partner. Google has clearly and profo

I disagree. The comments, here, give some real meta-insight into how Google is seen in the tech world: As an unreliable partner. Google has clearly and profoundly lost the confidence of the broader tech community. In particular, Google's history of starting and cancelling random projects helps explain why people are wondering why Google is releasing Fuschia: without some understanding of their motivations, it's impossible to trust that it'll actually have any kind of extended lifespan. For all we know, Fuschia, Android, and ChromeOS are basically the OS equivalent of Hangouts, Meet, Allo, and Duo, in which case becoming in any way reliant on it is a huge mistake.

refulgentis 5y ago
I probably won't reply past this, any thread on Google is a karma sink because it'd require Google users backing me up here but...the analogy completely breaks, immediately. Hangouts _is_ Meet and Allo, if it weren't for the constant migration notices leading to constant commentary no one would be the wiser, you log into Gmail and chat just like you did 10 years ago. Duo's a featured product, people go too far and think it's "yet another video chat app", but, they're forgetting Google has to offer both FaceTime _and_ Zoom, it has consumer and corporate customers, the corporate one doesn't need stickers and hats, the consumer one doesn't need meeting links that work in a browser.
- CarelessExpert 5y ago
  > Hangouts _is_ Meet and Allo, if it weren't for the constant migration notices leading to constant commentary no one would be the wiser, So, let's say that's true (and bluntly, after the Hangouts EOL notice I just jumped ship entirely to Signal as, frankly, I couldn't be bothered to figure out what the heck Google was doing), and that Allo and Meet--which are marketed as two different products--are somehow seamlessly integrated with the rest of the Google ecosystem so that you didn't actually need to grok the differences. Assuming that was true, Google still completely botched the communication, and believe it or not, marketing and communication are really damn important. Google could have the greatest technology ever, but they're perceived as being unreliable, and both their words and their actions reinforce that perception. So, maybe in this specific example, the transition wasn't as traumatic is the flat out cancellation of Reader or Plus. But in the end, the communication was so muddled that it ultimately doesn't matter because to the rest of the world outside the Google bubble it just looks like yet another example of Google being Google.
  - sdenton4 5y ago
    '...perceived as being unreliable...' AFAICT, the primary effect is that HN commentary on any google release has approximately zero SNR. Some back-room team could cure cancer and the HN thread would be 90% complaints about Reader. Compare/contrast the vast numbers of dead github projects, dead startups, and dead code generally. (Also, who the fsck calls the cancellation of plus traumatic?? That's comedy gold.) This is an open source release under the MIT license. You can use it, fork it, or ignore it...

refulgentis 5y ago

I probably won't reply past this, any thread on Google is a karma sink because it'd require Google users backing me up here but...the analogy completely breaks, immediately. Hangouts _is_ Meet and Allo, if it weren't for the constant migration notices leading to constant commentary no one would be the wiser, you log into Gmail and chat just like you did 10 years ago. Duo's a featured product, people go too far and think it's "yet another video chat app", but, they're forgetting Google has to offer both FaceTime _and_ Zoom, it has consumer and corporate customers, the corporate one doesn't need stickers and hats, the consumer one doesn't need meeting links that work in a browser.

CarelessExpert 5y ago
> Hangouts _is_ Meet and Allo, if it weren't for the constant migration notices leading to constant commentary no one would be the wiser, So, let's say that's true (and bluntly, after the Hangouts EOL notice I just jumped ship entirely to Signal as, frankly, I couldn't be bothered to figure out what the heck Google was doing), and that Allo and Meet--which are marketed as two different products--are somehow seamlessly integrated with the rest of the Google ecosystem so that you didn't actually need to grok the differences. Assuming that was true, Google still completely botched the communication, and believe it or not, marketing and communication are really damn important. Google could have the greatest technology ever, but they're perceived as being unreliable, and both their words and their actions reinforce that perception. So, maybe in this specific example, the transition wasn't as traumatic is the flat out cancellation of Reader or Plus. But in the end, the communication was so muddled that it ultimately doesn't matter because to the rest of the world outside the Google bubble it just looks like yet another example of Google being Google.
- sdenton4 5y ago
  '...perceived as being unreliable...' AFAICT, the primary effect is that HN commentary on any google release has approximately zero SNR. Some back-room team could cure cancer and the HN thread would be 90% complaints about Reader. Compare/contrast the vast numbers of dead github projects, dead startups, and dead code generally. (Also, who the fsck calls the cancellation of plus traumatic?? That's comedy gold.) This is an open source release under the MIT license. You can use it, fork it, or ignore it...