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Eh. If you've been at Google for 5 years then you should recognize Fuchsia as another one of the "retention projects" where you get paid to twiddle away at some

by mike_d 5y ago

Eh. If you've been at Google for 5 years then you should recognize Fuchsia as another one of the "retention projects" where you get paid to twiddle away at something cool in the corner and your only real deliverable is not going to work for Facebook or Apple. Sometimes they stumble upon something another PA needs, but often it just ends up as a patent or research paper.

refulgentis 5y ago
I can forthrightly say you're way, way, off the mark here. Another common anecdote in any Fuchsia article, one I myself believed at times, but not the case here. Edit: one of the many, many signs HN has deteriorated to a poor clone of subreddit combos is getting downvoted for knowing that this isn't a do-nothing project, which should be obvious to anyone reading: the whole point of the article is _it is launching on consumer hardware_. Sad stuff.
- mike_d 5y ago
  "Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - new_realist 5y ago
    And if HN did turn into Reddit, how would we know, given that we're gagged?
  - ryandvm 5y ago
    I find these playground rule recitations to be a rather lily-livered way of stifling discussion. This is a forum and we're here to discuss things. Lest you forget, the _users_ and their opinions are the most valuable part of Hacker News, so how about we dispense with the self-appointed hall monitoring? I really don't give a shit if there's a commandment about not comparing HN to Reddit. If the shoe fits...
- Bud 5y ago
  I'm interested: can you name even one more of the supposed "many, many signs"? The only one you elucidated doesn't really click; nor can I discern that HN is, by any stretch, a "poor clone" of anything about Reddit. HN has, in fact, many virtues that Reddit can't really touch, and it's basically just as old as Reddit, not that Reddit really invented anything that hadn't already existed for decades.
  - refulgentis 5y ago
    I got banned from posting for _4 hours_ because I got downvoted 5 points in a half hour for these comments. Suffice it to say I tried writing more substantive but the policy had its obvious effect, the off-topic echo chamber was preserved. Look no further than you're being _upvoted_ for quintupling down on inanity completely divorced from the article that's we're supposed to be discussing, even with schoolyard debate nonsense like "can you name even one thing backing up your thesis statement?" (back in the day, or still with more traditional HN posts, you'd get something more like: 'I find that surprising, what makes you feel that way?'. Dang calls this "coming with curiosity" or something like that) Meanwhile in the sibling thread, we have a guy with a year old account neener-neering me for daring to mention things are bad because it's a noob fallacy, and people who have actually been here a while getting flagged/dead through the floor for pointing out this _isn't actually some steadfast rule_, its a classic HN "rule". Meanwhile, I've been here for 12+ years and its never been close to being as bad as it is right now. This site, and you, are getting what always happens to these sites: too large of an audience to preserve quality of discussion over group dynamics. You shall inherit the board, but, no one will be the wiser for you being here - it's all half-baked assertions, schoolyard bully absolutist nonsense that you know isn't argumentation, you'd never talk like that to someone in real life. Then add the thesis here being that people _in the actual company_ aren't seeing the truth, their coworkers are engaged on makework PhD bullshit because otherwise they'd jump to Apple (never mind that the #1, #2, and #3 pieces of career advice in the valley is to leave so you get promoted)
    - Bud 5y ago
      Quite to the contrary, I'd talk to you exactly like this in real life. I cordially invite you to coffee if you'd like proof of that. You made a very broad claim that was unsupported, so I asked you to support it. You responded with zero support and with a lot of heated blather that violates as many HN policies as you could manage. Stop complaining about upvotes and downvotes, and support your argument, instead. As for your "coming with curiosity" scolding attempt? Please review the first two words of my comment.
xvector 5y ago
Why would Google pay employees to not go to Apple?
- echelon 5y ago
  The only competition for the giants are the other giants. Who can divert from Google's massive ad income funnel? Apple. Facebook. (Also maybe several foreign governments' antitrust cases.) An engineer on your payroll is an engineer not on the competition's payroll.
- astrange 5y ago
  Because Google has infinite money, the execs just hire people so they can admire the zoo of smart people they've built. Why do they need Vint Cerf, Guido, and Rob Pike? Why are they on the MIDI board? Because there's no real reason not to.
  - 1024core 5y ago
    Guido hasn't been at Google since 2013
  - therealrootuser 5y ago
    I don't have an opinion either way on your position here, other than a fact check. Guido van Rossum (creator of Python) is a Distinguished Engineer at Microsoft. Before that, he worked at Dropbox.
    - mike_d 5y ago
      Before that, he was at Google. Failing to retain an employee doesn't invalidate that Google would rather they didn't leave. I get the quarterly check-ins from the "alumni recruiting" team, and can assume Guido does too.
rejectedandsad 5y ago
Facebook or Apple? Not Amazon or Microsoft?

by mike_d 5y ago

refulgentis 5y ago

I can forthrightly say you're way, way, off the mark here. Another common anecdote in any Fuchsia article, one I myself believed at times, but not the case here. Edit: one of the many, many signs HN has deteriorated to a poor clone of subreddit combos is getting downvoted for knowing that this isn't a do-nothing project, which should be obvious to anyone reading: the whole point of the article is _it is launching on consumer hardware_. Sad stuff.

mike_d 5y ago
"Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- new_realist 5y ago
  And if HN did turn into Reddit, how would we know, given that we're gagged?
- ryandvm 5y ago
  I find these playground rule recitations to be a rather lily-livered way of stifling discussion. This is a forum and we're here to discuss things. Lest you forget, the _users_ and their opinions are the most valuable part of Hacker News, so how about we dispense with the self-appointed hall monitoring? I really don't give a shit if there's a commandment about not comparing HN to Reddit. If the shoe fits...
Bud 5y ago
I'm interested: can you name even one more of the supposed "many, many signs"? The only one you elucidated doesn't really click; nor can I discern that HN is, by any stretch, a "poor clone" of anything about Reddit. HN has, in fact, many virtues that Reddit can't really touch, and it's basically just as old as Reddit, not that Reddit really invented anything that hadn't already existed for decades.
- refulgentis 5y ago
  I got banned from posting for _4 hours_ because I got downvoted 5 points in a half hour for these comments. Suffice it to say I tried writing more substantive but the policy had its obvious effect, the off-topic echo chamber was preserved. Look no further than you're being _upvoted_ for quintupling down on inanity completely divorced from the article that's we're supposed to be discussing, even with schoolyard debate nonsense like "can you name even one thing backing up your thesis statement?" (back in the day, or still with more traditional HN posts, you'd get something more like: 'I find that surprising, what makes you feel that way?'. Dang calls this "coming with curiosity" or something like that) Meanwhile in the sibling thread, we have a guy with a year old account neener-neering me for daring to mention things are bad because it's a noob fallacy, and people who have actually been here a while getting flagged/dead through the floor for pointing out this _isn't actually some steadfast rule_, its a classic HN "rule". Meanwhile, I've been here for 12+ years and its never been close to being as bad as it is right now. This site, and you, are getting what always happens to these sites: too large of an audience to preserve quality of discussion over group dynamics. You shall inherit the board, but, no one will be the wiser for you being here - it's all half-baked assertions, schoolyard bully absolutist nonsense that you know isn't argumentation, you'd never talk like that to someone in real life. Then add the thesis here being that people _in the actual company_ aren't seeing the truth, their coworkers are engaged on makework PhD bullshit because otherwise they'd jump to Apple (never mind that the #1, #2, and #3 pieces of career advice in the valley is to leave so you get promoted)
  - Bud 5y ago
    Quite to the contrary, I'd talk to you exactly like this in real life. I cordially invite you to coffee if you'd like proof of that. You made a very broad claim that was unsupported, so I asked you to support it. You responded with zero support and with a lot of heated blather that violates as many HN policies as you could manage. Stop complaining about upvotes and downvotes, and support your argument, instead. As for your "coming with curiosity" scolding attempt? Please review the first two words of my comment.

xvector 5y ago

Why would Google pay employees to not go to Apple?

echelon 5y ago
The only competition for the giants are the other giants. Who can divert from Google's massive ad income funnel? Apple. Facebook. (Also maybe several foreign governments' antitrust cases.) An engineer on your payroll is an engineer not on the competition's payroll.
astrange 5y ago
Because Google has infinite money, the execs just hire people so they can admire the zoo of smart people they've built. Why do they need Vint Cerf, Guido, and Rob Pike? Why are they on the MIDI board? Because there's no real reason not to.
- 1024core 5y ago
  Guido hasn't been at Google since 2013
- therealrootuser 5y ago
  I don't have an opinion either way on your position here, other than a fact check. Guido van Rossum (creator of Python) is a Distinguished Engineer at Microsoft. Before that, he worked at Dropbox.
  - mike_d 5y ago
    Before that, he was at Google. Failing to retain an employee doesn't invalidate that Google would rather they didn't leave. I get the quarterly check-ins from the "alumni recruiting" team, and can assume Guido does too.

rejectedandsad 5y ago

Facebook or Apple? Not Amazon or Microsoft?