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"Acting like a moron" is entirely subjective. You will inevitably find a way to apply it to anyone you disagree with. This justification would work just as well

"Acting like a moron" is entirely subjective. You will inevitably find a way to apply it to anyone you disagree with. This justification would work just as well for other protected classes; it just so happens they've been set up to include your in-groups and not your out-groups.

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dwaltrip 5y ago
What…? Are you claiming that membership in the existing protected classes is subjective? It doesn’t matter that the definition of inappropriate behavior or speech is subjective. Each party will determine for themselves what they think is reasonable. As long as they aren’t infringing on any other rights or breaking other laws in the process, this is totally fine.
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  I can reasonably say that calling a cake shop whom you know for a fact will not bake you a cake, not because you actually want a cake but instead for the purpose of getting them in legal trouble from the official inquisition, is "acting like a moron". And yet I had to very very carefully word that for the sake of my own conscience because I know full well that HN will crucify me regardless on the theory that merely mentioning this topic amounts to homophobia.
  - dwaltrip 5y ago
    If a shop owner tells a gay customer "I don't believe you about actually wanting [the product / service]", how do we know if the shop owner has legitimate reason to think this or just doesn't like gay people? I'm not a legal expert, but I'm guessing that there would be need to be clear evidence of harassment from the customer (or something of that sort) in order for the shop owner to be able to refuse service. Otherwise, any asshole could get around discrimination laws by simply claiming they don't think customer the actually wants the product. That would be a terrible situation.
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      I'm not the one claiming > It doesn’t matter that the definition of inappropriate behavior or speech is subjective. Each party will determine for themselves what they think is reasonable. As long as they aren’t infringing on any other rights or breaking other laws in the process, this is totally fine.
      - dwaltrip 5y ago
        I’m not following. What do you mean?

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dwaltrip 5y ago

What…? Are you claiming that membership in the existing protected classes is subjective? It doesn’t matter that the definition of inappropriate behavior or speech is subjective. Each party will determine for themselves what they think is reasonable. As long as they aren’t infringing on any other rights or breaking other laws in the process, this is totally fine.

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I can reasonably say that calling a cake shop whom you know for a fact will not bake you a cake, not because you actually want a cake but instead for the purpose of getting them in legal trouble from the official inquisition, is "acting like a moron". And yet I had to very very carefully word that for the sake of my own conscience because I know full well that HN will crucify me regardless on the theory that merely mentioning this topic amounts to homophobia.
- dwaltrip 5y ago
  If a shop owner tells a gay customer "I don't believe you about actually wanting [the product / service]", how do we know if the shop owner has legitimate reason to think this or just doesn't like gay people? I'm not a legal expert, but I'm guessing that there would be need to be clear evidence of harassment from the customer (or something of that sort) in order for the shop owner to be able to refuse service. Otherwise, any asshole could get around discrimination laws by simply claiming they don't think customer the actually wants the product. That would be a terrible situation.
  - unanswered 5y ago
    I'm not the one claiming > It doesn’t matter that the definition of inappropriate behavior or speech is subjective. Each party will determine for themselves what they think is reasonable. As long as they aren’t infringing on any other rights or breaking other laws in the process, this is totally fine.
    - dwaltrip 5y ago
      I’m not following. What do you mean?