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This FSF form assumes everyone's full legal name can be written in ASCII (2011)
- the-smug-one 5y agoClearly FSF can deal with their maintainers having non-ASCII names. Have you talked to a human being regarding this? https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/blob/master/MAINTAINERS#L448 https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/blob/master/MAINTAINERS#L4...
- omaranto 5y agoI haven't. I gave them my legal name and an ASCII approximation of it (which just changes an "í" to an "i"), and I'll let them decide whether what to use. I doubt it will ever matter anyway.
- jeppesen-io 5y ago> curl https://orgmode.org/request-assign-future.txt https://orgmode.org/request-assign-future.txt -si|grep last last-modified: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:19:50 GMT Random text document from at least 10 years ago with a misleading headline, at best. How is this not flagged?
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- wilg 5y agoSpawning some interesting discussion, no?
- wilg 5y agoWorkaround: Use the unicode description for every non-ASCII character in your name, submit a change request to change this text file to UTF-8.
- jasonjei 5y agoWhile this might be an unpopular sentiment, I think ASCII name isn’t completely unreasonable. In an effort to make it easier for people to communicate, we have designated English as the unofficial language for most open-source projects. Most names can be romanized, and many people would have trouble typing 陳 or 石川 if they weren’t acquainted with Chinese or Japanese, and I think ASCII is a reasonable request.
- wilg 5y agoYeah but it's kind of a whole thing to respect people's autonomy to control their own names. Plus, you can just copy-paste. Edit: Not to mention if you are asking for their "legal name" for legal purposes then you would have to accommodate any valid legal name in any country.
- jasonjei 5y agoHaving not studied Korean or Arabic, I would have a real hard time with copying and pasting, and knowing whether the name is a surname, or first name, or whether those cultures employ a first name or last name. (For example, many Asian cultures with Chinese influence start their names with LASTNAME FIRSTNAME, so one might have a name of 蔡英文, where 蔡 is the surname, and 英文 is the given name. Japanese also has the same custom, 武 金城, where 武 is the surname, and 金城 is the given name.) That’s why I think a harmonized approach—even if it has a bit of English hegemony—is acceptable, just as we have done so in scientific journals and publications.
- NtrllyIntrstd 5y agoBut romanizing doesn't solve any of those problems (except maybe having to copy/paste, but with uncommon/foreign names you'll have to re-look at it thrice either way). You're still gonna wonder if 'Sung' is the first, second or third name, because your mistake was assuming that it works like this in the first place.
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- FDSGSG 5y agoAre there names that cannot be transliterated? Somehow all the banks and passport issuing governments in the world seem to manage this, if it's good enough for the banks and tax authorities it's probably be good enough for the FSF. Every single passport has a transliterated version of the holders name in the MRZ.
- ben_w 5y agoCannot? Yes, loads. English isn’t the entire phonetic alphabet. But more than that, why should they be transliterated? Unicode exists and is well supported, not using someone’s actual name when it’s entirely feasible is just rude. Edit: Fun example: “Yahweh” and “Jehova” are both transliterations of «יהוה»
- FDSGSG 5y ago> Unicode exists and is well supported, not using someone’s actual name when it’s entirely feasible is just rude. It's really not, and I say this as someone whose "actual name" has to be transliterated for an ASCII representation. It hardly ever makes sense to put in the work to convert old systems to accept unicode names, nobody actually cares. Every single government transliterates their citizens names on their passports.
- mikl 5y agoI think you will find that non-U.S. banks don’t use ASCII for this exact reason. A transliteration is arguably not someone’s legal name, and furthermore it’s kinda rude to demand that we mangle our names to fit someone’s 1970s technology system.
- FDSGSG 5y agoPractically all CRS tax information sharing happens using ASCII-7
- mikl 5y agoYes, since that’s basically been dictated by the U.S. Government. That does not mean the banks over here are using ASCII. Very systems generally use whatever national encoding was used before Unicode (ISO-8859-1 aka Latin 1 in my case) and more modern systems just use UTF-8. Trust me, I have non-ASCII characters in both my surname and my address. The only times I have to transliterate them are if travelling, shipping or banking internationally.
- mabbo 5y agoIt feels like this may be a legacy document. The actual root website has a Japanese version with definitely-not-ASCII characters. Seems like a simple oversight of not updating a form. Now, if the administrators are still 100% behind this being the only way, then maybe there's reason to get upset.
- omaranto 5y agoI'm amused, not upset. I tried to follow this impossible instruction as best I could and decided they probably cared more about ASCII than about getting my legal name, so I changed and "í" to an "i".
- GekkePrutser 5y agoIt certainly has a huge 'legacy' look about it. Using '-------' as a horizontal line. Using less than even 80 characters on a line. Definitely something that has its roots way before the 2011 it's marked as.
- swiley 5y agoThat's some pretty poor wording but they probably either mean UTF-8 and/or transliterated into latin characters.
- omaranto 5y agoI think they don't mean UTF-8, since they said ASCII. But I agree that they probably did mean something like "if your legal name cannot be written in ASCII and there is some standard way for it to be transliterated to ASCII use the transliteration instead of your legal name", or at least that's what I assumed they meant and filled out the subject line accordingly.
- LeoPanthera 5y agoThis is a hugely misleading, if not outright clickbait, headline. The author of one random plain text form surely does not represent the views of "The FSF", even if they work for them.
- chx 5y agoAnd even if this is not the official FSF standpoint they are right because passports totally do this. Here's the transliteration of names for the passport of the Russian Federation http://transliteration.ru/mvd_1047/ http://transliteration.ru/mvd_1047/ for example. More recommended transliteration rules for names in machine readable passports by the ICAO in https://www.icao.int/publications/Documents/9303_p3_cons_en.pdf https://www.icao.int/publications/Documents/9303_p3_cons_en....
- omaranto 5y agoIs it correct to refer to those transliterations on passport as "full legal name"?
- chx 5y agoI would suspect that varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. It surely is a representation of it, to quote the ICAO PDF: > Prefixes and suffixes, including titles, professional and academic qualifications, honours, awards, and hereditary status (such as Dr., Sir, Jr., Sr., II and III) shall not be included in the MRZ except where the issuing State considers these to be legally part of the name Hungarian law for example says the passport contains an MRZ (compiled from various data) which allows identifying the citizen and the passport. Is that the legal name then? Is this a meaningful discussion to be had? I can't find Canadian law but https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-passports/about/passport-features.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se... says "The last two lines at the bottom of the page are the machine-readable zone, which repeats the passport holder’s personal information "
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