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What is up with the comments in this thread? How are people seeing this as the Indian government taking a stand against censorship or whatever? The same governm

by skavi 5y ago

What is up with the comments in this thread? How are people seeing this as the Indian government taking a stand against censorship or whatever? The same government is upset that Twitter reinstated several accounts critical of the administration.

neither_color 5y ago
My guess is that people of certain political leanings have seen multiple stories "fact-checked" by Facebook/Twitter/Google as false and suppressed turn out to be true or partially true months down the line. These people are relieved to see another government, any government, give twitter/facebook/google "what's coming to it"
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > people of certain political leanings have seen multiple stories "fact-checked" by Facebook/Twitter/Google as false and suppressed turn out to be true or partially true months down the line. Nothing is perfect, but what are you referring to specifically?
  - sol_invictus 5y ago
    Politifact and COVID origin
    - wolverine876 5y ago
      Any basis for this? The origin is unknown, afaik.
      - sol_invictus 5y ago
        Problem is and was stating ”lab origin” as a false narrative when we truly just don’t know. Of course a Politifact that says ”we dont know” is useless and so they have to invent truths to be relevant.
    - mlindner 5y ago
      Conspiracy theories that COVID was released intentionally by China are still false, same as they were every time this idea gets brought up.
      - suifbwish 5y ago
        You know this how? Last I checked China refused to let anyone audit their labs or medical facilities.
        knolax 5y ago
        Last time I checked the US has refused to let anyone audit Ft. Detrick.
  - hn8788 5y ago
    The Hunter Biden laptop story comes to mind. Twitter was even blocking DMs with a link to the story, but it turned out that what was in it was true, even if it was inconsequential. I also remember seeing a Facebook ad that had a video of Biden saying he was going to end fracking, but since his campaign's official stance was that they weren't going end it, the ad was removed for false information.
    - wolverine876 5y ago
      Can you provide some basis for saying it's true? That is not my understanding, but I'm always interested in learning more.
      - nradov 5y ago
        There is no real doubt that the contents found on Hunter Biden's laptop are authentic. He hasn't denied any of it, nor has any evidence of falsification been found. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-reports-intervention-memoir/#app https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-reports-int... But the whole thing was a big nothingburger.
        wolverine876 5y ago
        > There is no real doubt that the contents found on Hunter Biden's laptop are authentic. Right now, there is a lot of doubt: All I have is some words typed by someone on the Internet. > https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-reports-intervention-memoir/#app https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-reports-int... That article barely discusses the laptop, and quotes Hunter Biden saying he didn't know if the proported laptop was even his. It says nothing about authenticity of the contents.
  - barbacoa 5y ago
    Early in 2020 alternative media discussions that COVID may have leaked from a lab were ruthlessly "fack-checked" and censored from social media for misinformation. Now that we know more these claims have become accepted as a very real possibility.
    - edoceo 5y ago
      Were they censored? IIRC they were only labeled as "not fact checked" - which at the time was true. It seems lots of emerging stories should carry that label.
      - barbacoa 5y ago
        COVID lab theory clams were rated false which means social media platforms throttle their visibility and organizations posting those claims were threatened with suspension. As politi-facts put it: "There is no evidence that the coronavirus was made in a lab. The overwhelming consensus among public health experts is that the virus evolved naturally."
  - newfriend 5y ago
    Not done by a tech company, but here's an example of dubious fact checking: @MSNBC Oct 9, 2016 FACT CHECK: Trump says Clinton "acid washed" her email server. She did not. The Claim Trump says Clinton 'acid washed' her email server. The Truth Clinton's team used an app called BleachBit; she did not use a corrosive chemical. [0] https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/785299708730339328?lang=en https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/785299708730339328?lang=en
    - enkid 5y ago
      Except Trump actually thought she used chemicals to clean the server, so there's nothing wrong with this fact check.[0] [0] https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/10/donald-trump-seems-to-believe-hillary-clinton-literally-acid-washed-her-emails.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/10/donald-trump-see... Edit: If you downvoted me, please explain why. I don't get it unless you care more about being on the right side than knowing the truth.
nindalf 5y ago
In general, Indians living abroad are highly supportive of the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Not his party, or his government, or his policies ... just him personally. Hacker News contains many such people. They are responsible for the bizarre comments you've read on this thread. On a related note, this thread will soon be flagged, like all threads that are even mildly, indirectly critical of Narendra Modi. Enjoy the thread while it's up.
- max_hammer 5y ago
  Anyone having a different opinion than me is wrong ?
  - renewiltord 5y ago
    No, that’s not true. But in this case, the grandparent comment is correct. The current Indian Prime Minister is very popular among Bay Area Indians and techies and so they will defend him nearly always.
    - sharadov 5y ago
      Also India leads the way in shutting down the internet at the smallest sign of dissent, under Modi it has slowly but surely devolved into an authoritarian state https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50819905 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50819905 https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/asia/india-internet-cut-farmers-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/asia/india-internet-cut-farme...
    - sharadov 5y ago
      Oh yeah they love him to death, try having a rational conversation with them and it quickly devolves into personal attacks.
    - tsycho 5y ago
      That's another broad generalization. I know many Bay Area Indians, and within my personal circles, a majority of them are anti-Modi and have been so pre-Covid too. That said, the amount of unquestionable Trump-like support for Modi is truly baffling.
TheHypnotist 5y ago
Either they are the Modi sycophants or just don't like twitter and otherwise have no clue what's going on in India.
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crocodiletears 5y ago
Twitter's done more to burn its credibility in the west's public imagination than Modi's regime has.

by skavi 5y ago

neither_color 5y ago

My guess is that people of certain political leanings have seen multiple stories "fact-checked" by Facebook/Twitter/Google as false and suppressed turn out to be true or partially true months down the line. These people are relieved to see another government, any government, give twitter/facebook/google "what's coming to it"

wolverine876 5y ago
> people of certain political leanings have seen multiple stories "fact-checked" by Facebook/Twitter/Google as false and suppressed turn out to be true or partially true months down the line. Nothing is perfect, but what are you referring to specifically?
- sol_invictus 5y ago
  Politifact and COVID origin
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    Any basis for this? The origin is unknown, afaik.
    - sol_invictus 5y ago
      Problem is and was stating ”lab origin” as a false narrative when we truly just don’t know. Of course a Politifact that says ”we dont know” is useless and so they have to invent truths to be relevant.
  - mlindner 5y ago
    Conspiracy theories that COVID was released intentionally by China are still false, same as they were every time this idea gets brought up.
    - suifbwish 5y ago
      You know this how? Last I checked China refused to let anyone audit their labs or medical facilities.
      - knolax 5y ago
        Last time I checked the US has refused to let anyone audit Ft. Detrick.
- hn8788 5y ago
  The Hunter Biden laptop story comes to mind. Twitter was even blocking DMs with a link to the story, but it turned out that what was in it was true, even if it was inconsequential. I also remember seeing a Facebook ad that had a video of Biden saying he was going to end fracking, but since his campaign's official stance was that they weren't going end it, the ad was removed for false information.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    Can you provide some basis for saying it's true? That is not my understanding, but I'm always interested in learning more.
    - nradov 5y ago
      There is no real doubt that the contents found on Hunter Biden's laptop are authentic. He hasn't denied any of it, nor has any evidence of falsification been found. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-reports-intervention-memoir/#app https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-reports-int... But the whole thing was a big nothingburger.
      - wolverine876 5y ago
        > There is no real doubt that the contents found on Hunter Biden's laptop are authentic. Right now, there is a lot of doubt: All I have is some words typed by someone on the Internet. > https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-reports-intervention-memoir/#app https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-reports-int... That article barely discusses the laptop, and quotes Hunter Biden saying he didn't know if the proported laptop was even his. It says nothing about authenticity of the contents.
- barbacoa 5y ago
  Early in 2020 alternative media discussions that COVID may have leaked from a lab were ruthlessly "fack-checked" and censored from social media for misinformation. Now that we know more these claims have become accepted as a very real possibility.
  - edoceo 5y ago
    Were they censored? IIRC they were only labeled as "not fact checked" - which at the time was true. It seems lots of emerging stories should carry that label.
    - barbacoa 5y ago
      COVID lab theory clams were rated false which means social media platforms throttle their visibility and organizations posting those claims were threatened with suspension. As politi-facts put it: "There is no evidence that the coronavirus was made in a lab. The overwhelming consensus among public health experts is that the virus evolved naturally."
- newfriend 5y ago
  Not done by a tech company, but here's an example of dubious fact checking: @MSNBC Oct 9, 2016 FACT CHECK: Trump says Clinton "acid washed" her email server. She did not. The Claim Trump says Clinton 'acid washed' her email server. The Truth Clinton's team used an app called BleachBit; she did not use a corrosive chemical. [0] https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/785299708730339328?lang=en https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/785299708730339328?lang=en
  - enkid 5y ago
    Except Trump actually thought she used chemicals to clean the server, so there's nothing wrong with this fact check.[0] [0] https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/10/donald-trump-seems-to-believe-hillary-clinton-literally-acid-washed-her-emails.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/10/donald-trump-see... Edit: If you downvoted me, please explain why. I don't get it unless you care more about being on the right side than knowing the truth.

nindalf 5y ago

In general, Indians living abroad are highly supportive of the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Not his party, or his government, or his policies ... just him personally. Hacker News contains many such people. They are responsible for the bizarre comments you've read on this thread. On a related note, this thread will soon be flagged, like all threads that are even mildly, indirectly critical of Narendra Modi. Enjoy the thread while it's up.

max_hammer 5y ago
Anyone having a different opinion than me is wrong ?
- renewiltord 5y ago
  No, that’s not true. But in this case, the grandparent comment is correct. The current Indian Prime Minister is very popular among Bay Area Indians and techies and so they will defend him nearly always.
  - sharadov 5y ago
    Also India leads the way in shutting down the internet at the smallest sign of dissent, under Modi it has slowly but surely devolved into an authoritarian state https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50819905 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50819905 https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/asia/india-internet-cut-farmers-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/asia/india-internet-cut-farme...
  - sharadov 5y ago
    Oh yeah they love him to death, try having a rational conversation with them and it quickly devolves into personal attacks.
  - tsycho 5y ago
    That's another broad generalization. I know many Bay Area Indians, and within my personal circles, a majority of them are anti-Modi and have been so pre-Covid too. That said, the amount of unquestionable Trump-like support for Modi is truly baffling.

TheHypnotist 5y ago

Either they are the Modi sycophants or just don't like twitter and otherwise have no clue what's going on in India.

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crocodiletears 5y ago

Twitter's done more to burn its credibility in the west's public imagination than Modi's regime has.