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Curious to see if a new MacBook Pro 15"/16" with an upgraded M1 chip is presented.

dmlittle 5y ago
Most likely not. WWDC is for software announcements, mainly the new iOS and macOS versions, and I don't believe new hardware has even been presented (this is not true, see edit). EDIT: I was wrong an hardware has indeed been presented at WWDC before. I still believe, however, that a new M1 16" MacBook Pro isn't a WWDC-worthy announcement and will likely be announced in October.
- onionisafruit 5y ago
  You're right in general, but I do remember Mac Pro being announced at WWDC.
- jbverschoor 5y ago
  The M1 devkti was presented. The AppleTV devkit was presented. Some upgrades are presented. It makes a lot of sense to present "pro" hardware to developers
- afavour 5y ago
  Not that it's a foolproof indicator for this year but new hardware has absolutely been announced at WWDC. The iPhone 3G is the one that immediately comes to mind but it's far from the only one. I'm pretty sure new Macbooks have been included before.
  - JCBird1012 5y ago
    You're right! In fact, the last iPhone to be revealed at a WWDC was the iPhone 4 in 2010.
    - WanderPanda 5y ago
      And boy was that a release! (discounting for Antennagate) Edit: And the terrible home button
    - icedchai 5y ago
      The iPhone 4 was my favorite "new iPhone", if that makes any sense. The screen was amazing for the time!
      - KMnO4 5y ago
        The iPhone 4 gave birth to front facing camera as we know it. That was practically nonexistent on any other phone at the time.
      - colejohnson66 5y ago
        Wasn’t the 4 the first one with a “retina” screen? That was revolutionary at the time. Today, we take for granted high pixel density phones, but if you compared a 3GS to the new 4, it was mind blowing.
        icedchai 5y ago
        Yes, it was the first one with a retina screen. The change from the 3GS to the 4 was amazing. Also, the overall design was much slimmer. It seemed like a huge upgrade. Most of the upgrades since have felt much more incremental.
- timidiceball 5y ago
  Many many models of macs and iPads have been announced at WWDC keynotes. Including the iMac Pro and the original Mac Pro.
- valine 5y ago
  This is not true, Apple doesn't announce hardware at every WWDC but it's not uncommon. In 2019 they announced the updated Mac Pro and the Pro Display XDR. In 2017 they announced updates to the iMac, Macbook, Macbook Pro, iPad Pro, and HomePod.
- mrunseen 5y ago
  I believe Mac Pro was introduced at WWDC to be released at “Fall”.
- dylan604 5y ago
  Isn't WWDC where "one more thing" came to be?
- ksec 5y ago
  > and I don't believe new hardware has even been presented. I cant remember whom it was, but someone, an influencer or KOL on twitter or a blog started this "no new hardware has ever been presented in WWDC" madness and it has been spreading like plague ever since. Mac Pro, Pro Display in 2019, MacBook Pro 2017, iPhone 3G and 4, and MacBook Pro 2009. Other similar false statements were M1 has integrated memory ( For the 999th times it does not ) and AirPod were sold at cost ( this one is from Gruber ).
  - colejohnson66 5y ago
    The “integrated memory” comes from confusion on the “unified memory” architecture. Unified just means shared by the CPU and GPU cores, but it doesn’t have to be integrated. Alas, many journalists probably wouldn’t know or understand that.
rvz 5y ago
That would be no surprise, since I have called it too many times before and waited and I will call it once again. Now the M1 hype squad are becoming slightly short-sighted with their purchase, I'll just sit back and wait for the new generation to come (which is not far off) and the ecosystem to mature, (unlike what happened on November 2020) and at least this year, me and the newcomers jumping on Apple Silicon will have a much better experience. I am bullish on Apple Silicon and looking past the M1 generation and will get the newer generation models instead and skipping M1.
- n42 5y ago
  Of course newer, high spec models are coming. In the meantime, I’ve spent 6 or so months developing and working on my favorite laptop I’ve ever used, and I anticipate high resale when a newer version comes out. Explain how I have been short sighted?
  - rvz 5y ago
    > I anticipate high resale when a newer version comes out. Er, not really. Not if you have already used it after 14 days after purchase with Apple, 30 days with Amazon and in most cases, no returns if you have already opened it depending where you have bought it. To see what the hype was all about, I recently bought, tried it out and subsequently returned it at 100% of the retail price. Since you used it for 6 months or so, that isn't going to come close to that and on top of that given how immature the software ecosystem was for Apple Silicon on launch day, it was pointless to jump on board with broken software. Now that WWDC is around the corner, we'll see what Apple has to offer for Apple Silicon which is not far off.
- ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
  My feelings exactly. I'm quite excited by Apple Silicon. I have been hearing stories from users of the M1 that almost sound like science-fiction (Rosetta 2 performance being one). The M1X/M2 is going to be pretty awesome, because it will reflect the "paved bare spots" worn by the M1 being in the wild. This means that the designers will have been able to aggregate performance and usage data, to tune the processor for environments outside the lab. Also, most software vendors will have released Apple Silicon native versions of their applications, or tuned their non-native apps to perform well in Rosetta. Definitely getting one, when they become available.
vmception 5y ago
There was a supply chain leak last week that got me excited. A new chip for the macbook pros that can support 64gb RAM. Magsafe restored SD card restored Butterfly keyboard still gone, which was another point of contention in the past and touch bar still there (yay) alongside USBC ports hope this is corroborated by Apple, seems too good to be true
- api 5y ago
  I've been expecting them to move the Touch Bar up and add a row of physical function keys. I'd be perfectly fine with that. There are some bases of users that actually use the Touch Bar. Most of the devs on here are not among them. From what I've heard it's mostly graphics and 3d people. The biggest issue I have with the Touch Bar is how un-customizable it is. Make it easier to do DIY customizations and I might find some interesting uses for it.
  - joshstrange 5y ago
    BetterTouchTool can help a little with the Touch Bar but overall I hope they kill it off. They haven't iterated on it at all since release and it's more in my way than useful. On top of that my MBP is in clamshell mode 99.9% of the time so it's completely worthless for me. I'd even be happy with just the option to not have the Touch Bar on the new 16".
    - mthoms 5y ago
      I'll second the recommendation for BTT. The UI is a disaster but it's still at the top of my list for installing on new machines. Side note: BTT is not just about the touch bar and trackpad gesture customization, it's also fantastic for mapping hotkeys and window snapping.
  - bluenose69 5y ago
    As for customizing, I use macvim quite a lot, and it's easy to add things to the colorbar, e.g. with " Touchbar amenu TouchBar.make :!make<CR> amenu TouchBar.@q @q in your ~/.vimrc file.
suyash 5y ago
Pretty sure that will be on the agenda

Most likely not. WWDC is for software announcements, mainly the new iOS and macOS versions, and I don't believe new hardware has even been presented (this is not true, see edit). EDIT: I was wrong an hardware has indeed been presented at WWDC before. I still believe, however, that a new M1 16" MacBook Pro isn't a WWDC-worthy announcement and will likely be announced in October.

onionisafruit 5y ago
You're right in general, but I do remember Mac Pro being announced at WWDC.
jbverschoor 5y ago
The M1 devkti was presented. The AppleTV devkit was presented. Some upgrades are presented. It makes a lot of sense to present "pro" hardware to developers
afavour 5y ago
Not that it's a foolproof indicator for this year but new hardware has absolutely been announced at WWDC. The iPhone 3G is the one that immediately comes to mind but it's far from the only one. I'm pretty sure new Macbooks have been included before.
- JCBird1012 5y ago
  You're right! In fact, the last iPhone to be revealed at a WWDC was the iPhone 4 in 2010.
  - WanderPanda 5y ago
    And boy was that a release! (discounting for Antennagate) Edit: And the terrible home button
  - icedchai 5y ago
    The iPhone 4 was my favorite "new iPhone", if that makes any sense. The screen was amazing for the time!
    - KMnO4 5y ago
      The iPhone 4 gave birth to front facing camera as we know it. That was practically nonexistent on any other phone at the time.
    - colejohnson66 5y ago
      Wasn’t the 4 the first one with a “retina” screen? That was revolutionary at the time. Today, we take for granted high pixel density phones, but if you compared a 3GS to the new 4, it was mind blowing.
      - icedchai 5y ago
        Yes, it was the first one with a retina screen. The change from the 3GS to the 4 was amazing. Also, the overall design was much slimmer. It seemed like a huge upgrade. Most of the upgrades since have felt much more incremental.
timidiceball 5y ago
Many many models of macs and iPads have been announced at WWDC keynotes. Including the iMac Pro and the original Mac Pro.
valine 5y ago
This is not true, Apple doesn't announce hardware at every WWDC but it's not uncommon. In 2019 they announced the updated Mac Pro and the Pro Display XDR. In 2017 they announced updates to the iMac, Macbook, Macbook Pro, iPad Pro, and HomePod.
mrunseen 5y ago
I believe Mac Pro was introduced at WWDC to be released at “Fall”.
dylan604 5y ago
Isn't WWDC where "one more thing" came to be?
ksec 5y ago
> and I don't believe new hardware has even been presented. I cant remember whom it was, but someone, an influencer or KOL on twitter or a blog started this "no new hardware has ever been presented in WWDC" madness and it has been spreading like plague ever since. Mac Pro, Pro Display in 2019, MacBook Pro 2017, iPhone 3G and 4, and MacBook Pro 2009. Other similar false statements were M1 has integrated memory ( For the 999th times it does not ) and AirPod were sold at cost ( this one is from Gruber ).
- colejohnson66 5y ago
  The “integrated memory” comes from confusion on the “unified memory” architecture. Unified just means shared by the CPU and GPU cores, but it doesn’t have to be integrated. Alas, many journalists probably wouldn’t know or understand that.

rvz 5y ago

That would be no surprise, since I have called it too many times before and waited and I will call it once again. Now the M1 hype squad are becoming slightly short-sighted with their purchase, I'll just sit back and wait for the new generation to come (which is not far off) and the ecosystem to mature, (unlike what happened on November 2020) and at least this year, me and the newcomers jumping on Apple Silicon will have a much better experience. I am bullish on Apple Silicon and looking past the M1 generation and will get the newer generation models instead and skipping M1.

n42 5y ago
Of course newer, high spec models are coming. In the meantime, I’ve spent 6 or so months developing and working on my favorite laptop I’ve ever used, and I anticipate high resale when a newer version comes out. Explain how I have been short sighted?
- rvz 5y ago
  > I anticipate high resale when a newer version comes out. Er, not really. Not if you have already used it after 14 days after purchase with Apple, 30 days with Amazon and in most cases, no returns if you have already opened it depending where you have bought it. To see what the hype was all about, I recently bought, tried it out and subsequently returned it at 100% of the retail price. Since you used it for 6 months or so, that isn't going to come close to that and on top of that given how immature the software ecosystem was for Apple Silicon on launch day, it was pointless to jump on board with broken software. Now that WWDC is around the corner, we'll see what Apple has to offer for Apple Silicon which is not far off.
ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
My feelings exactly. I'm quite excited by Apple Silicon. I have been hearing stories from users of the M1 that almost sound like science-fiction (Rosetta 2 performance being one). The M1X/M2 is going to be pretty awesome, because it will reflect the "paved bare spots" worn by the M1 being in the wild. This means that the designers will have been able to aggregate performance and usage data, to tune the processor for environments outside the lab. Also, most software vendors will have released Apple Silicon native versions of their applications, or tuned their non-native apps to perform well in Rosetta. Definitely getting one, when they become available.

vmception 5y ago

There was a supply chain leak last week that got me excited. A new chip for the macbook pros that can support 64gb RAM. Magsafe restored SD card restored Butterfly keyboard still gone, which was another point of contention in the past and touch bar still there (yay) alongside USBC ports hope this is corroborated by Apple, seems too good to be true

api 5y ago
I've been expecting them to move the Touch Bar up and add a row of physical function keys. I'd be perfectly fine with that. There are some bases of users that actually use the Touch Bar. Most of the devs on here are not among them. From what I've heard it's mostly graphics and 3d people. The biggest issue I have with the Touch Bar is how un-customizable it is. Make it easier to do DIY customizations and I might find some interesting uses for it.
- joshstrange 5y ago
  BetterTouchTool can help a little with the Touch Bar but overall I hope they kill it off. They haven't iterated on it at all since release and it's more in my way than useful. On top of that my MBP is in clamshell mode 99.9% of the time so it's completely worthless for me. I'd even be happy with just the option to not have the Touch Bar on the new 16".
  - mthoms 5y ago
    I'll second the recommendation for BTT. The UI is a disaster but it's still at the top of my list for installing on new machines. Side note: BTT is not just about the touch bar and trackpad gesture customization, it's also fantastic for mapping hotkeys and window snapping.
- bluenose69 5y ago
  As for customizing, I use macvim quite a lot, and it's easy to add things to the colorbar, e.g. with " Touchbar amenu TouchBar.make :!make<CR> amenu TouchBar.@q @q in your ~/.vimrc file.

suyash 5y ago

Pretty sure that will be on the agenda