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Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label
- senthilnayagam 5y agoDelhi Police served a legal notice to Twitter India, it was not a raid https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/toolkit-row-delhi-police-sends-notice-to-twitter-over-flagging-patras-tweet-as-manipulated-media/articleshow/82911828.cms https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/toolkit...
- x3n0ph3n3 5y ago> Delhi Police, controlled by India’s central government, on Monday evening searched two offices of Twitter — in the national capital state of Delhi and Gurgaon, in neighboring state of Haryana — to seek more information about Twitter’s rationale to label one of the tweets by ruling partly BJP spokesperson as “manipulated media.” > An hour into the search process, Delhi Police Special Cell team, which investigates terrorism and other crimes, vacated both of Twitter’s offices because they were closed and there were no Twitter employees to engage with at the premises That sure sounds like a physical raid.
- JI00912 5y ago...surprise visit? ...unexpected company?
- wolverine876 5y agoYes. Otherwise, an e-mail to Twitter's attorneys would have sufficed.
- dsjfalksjdflksa 5y agoThey were searching for a representative to serve the notice to.
- moate 5y agoServe notice of what? This didn't seem to be mentioned in the article. Also, is that a thing police in India do? Here in the US, if documents need to be physically served, it's usually done by a single representative of the court, not a policeman, let alone many police.
- testplzignore 5y agoI'm so confused. The reporting on this sucks. Did they stand at the front door knocking for an hour waiting for someone to come out? Did they physically break into the office? Does "closed" mean the office was physically closed/locked? Does "no Twitter employees" mean there were no humans physically present at the office, or does it mean there were no people directly employed by Twitter at the office? E.g., are they not counting security and other 24/7 staff that would normally be at an office building?
- ngc248 5y agoGood, at least one country is taking a stand against the totally lawless sewer that social media has become.
- codegladiator 5y ago> searched two offices of Twitter .... to seek more information about Twitter’s rationale to label one of the tweets What were they expecting in a physical raid ? > An hour into the search process ... vacated both of Twitter’s offices because they were closed and there were no Twitter employees to engage with Again, what were they expecting ?
- yangikan 5y agoThe ruling party released a fake document, suggesting that the opposition is engaging in subversive activities. It was fact checked by various independent agencies and found to be a fake document. Twitter added a "manipulated media" label to those tweets. Delhi police, which is directly controlled by the Indian government raided the office of Twitter. It is not done with the intention of finding anything. It is to harass and to "send a message" that such acts won't be tolerated.
- linuxftw 5y agoMaybe Twitter shouldn't get in the middle of these types of things.
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- ycombinete 5y agoCatch-22. When they don’t they’re attacked for harbouring, and allowing the algorithmic spread of, fake news. Besides, sites like Facebook and Twitter started to “get in the middle of these things” the moment they stopped simply showing you a chronological series of posts from people/pages you follow; to a weighted interest system, based on opaque algorithms.
- linuxftw 5y agoIf people are smart enough to use the internet, they're smart enough to determine for themselves who's telling the truth and who isn't. If they're not smart enough, then who cares what they think anyway?
- Vinnl 5y agoIf Twitter just shows everyone all Tweets, people'd quickly get overwhelmed, and a few very active Twitter users would drown out all the rest. So they add an algorithm that tries to determine which Tweets a user is most likely to want to see - now they're in the middle, deciding what someone sees.
- pjkundert 5y agoI'll preface this by stating that me and my family, and the huge number of like-minded people I am aligned with, have -- for generations -- been the most law-abiding, compliant, quiet, respectful and hard-working people in our communities. What I am about to write is absolutely without precedent, and should therefore be terrifying... The Quislings in the spineless political class in the United States and Canada have revealed themselves, and are absolutely disgusting. The contempt shown by Facebook, Google, Twitter, et.al. of legal free speech rights, and the absolute, brazen complicity of our governments in their lawlessness tells us exactly what we need to know. Nothing short of a complete expulsion of these brigands from political office, followed by conviction in the courts of law for abridging the constitutionally protected rights of their citizenry is acceptable. However, until the courts are also purged -- since they have been overtaken by spineless (in the USA) and complicit (in Canada) judges -- nothing like this can occur. I am happy, though, for one thing. At least we can never again labor under the illusion/assumption that our constitutionally guaranteed (the Constitution in the USA, and the Charter in Canada) rights are being protected! It is absolutely clear, now, that our western nations have to be re-taken from these despots who have usurped authority -- unfortunately, probably by force. Heaven help us all.
- skavi 5y agoHow exactly is this connected to TFA?
- pjkundert 5y agoThe fact that this is news at all, is how. The local presences of these companies should have been sued into oblivion in every law-abiding nation by now, at their first refusal to support Canadian and US free speech rights. If they didn't comply with the order to maintain that nation's citizen's rights, they should have been disabled at the border. If Google, Twitter, etc. are satisfied to only operate in lawless regimes (eg. North Korea), then they can carry on with their present behavior. To operate in our law-abiding nations, they should be minimally be expected to operate according to the law of the land, which is circumscribed by the Constitution/Charter.
- nullifidian 5y agoIn related news Russia plans to force tech giants to open offices on its soil specifically to raid them: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/05/21/russia-moves-to-force-tech-giants-to-set-up-local-offices-a73977 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/05/21/russia-moves-to-fo...
- skybrian 5y agoThe next move: “We don’t do any real work here, but you’re getting hazard pay for a reason.”
- fernandopj 5y agoIt would be a deterrent to hire ex-KBG, ex-military, family members of key politicians...
- knolax 5y agoPlaying hostage games with a nationstate. Jesus christ you techies have an inflated ego.
- sargun 5y agoChina had a similar rule for doing business. I worked with a company that that ~60 engineers that never wrote a line of production code in China, because they were afraid of IP leaks.
- knolax 5y agoMaybe some random American social media company whose politics aren't even liked by most Americans shouldn't meddle in the affairs of India. I hope this ends with Twitter being banned. I'm tired of Silicon Valley techies grandstanding about "disinformation" when their entire platforms are nothing but disinformation.
- lota-putty 5y agoThere is a saying in India "उल्टा चोर कोतवाल को डांटे", i.e. "a thief accusing the sentry". There are very few(handful) media houses in India that stand against current Central Govt. politics in India. If Govt. of India doesn't like Twitter policies, it's free to block it or create it's own propaganda machine.
- riffic 5y agoany government can spin up its own ActivityPub-compliant service today and basically be their own Twitter. media organizations can do this too, and it would be welcomed to have more journalists in that particular space.
- amriksohata 5y agoHighly misleading title, this was not a raid, they issued a notice as they were putting "manipulated media" tags on well known politicians, it was seen as Twitter directly attempting to shut down democracy in India
- wolverine876 5y agoHow many police are required to deliver a letter? Why not mail it or email it? How about using attorneys?
- amriksohata 5y agoIt's quite common to get disruptive behaviour when serving these kind of notices. They didn't realise most were working from home
- wolverine876 5y agoSeriously? Delivering a legal notice to a major global corporation? This isn't notice delivered to an abusive spouse or drug dealer.
- dsjfalksjdflksa 5y agoIn the United States legal notice MUST be delivered in person. It cannot be done over mail or email. I'd expect india is similar.
- nradov 5y agoThat isn't really correct. In some circumstances US courts allow service via other channels.
- fl0wenol 5y agoYou can absolutely deliver it via mail (some states require that), or have a process server leave it with their legal department. https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_4#rule_4_c_3_C https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_4#rule_4_c_3_C
- dsjfalksjdflksa 5y agoPer the article, the police visited the office to deliver a legal notice, not to investigate the office. In the United States legal notice MUST be delivered in person. It cannot be done over mail or email. I'd expect India is similar.
- alert0 5y agoTitle does not match article. >Delhi Police raids Twitter offices over manipulated label >Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label
- llacb47 5y agoIt was most likely changed. Very common in digital journalism.
- max_hammer 5y agoClickbait journalism. Its a race to the bottom to get attention of reader using raunchy titles
- dang 5y agoWe've updated the title above. As others pointed out, it's possible that the publication changed their own headline. This case smells like that to me. Btw, one trick is to look at the URL, since those are harder to change after publication. In this case the URL includes the word "raids". Edit: yep: https://web.archive.org/web/20210524155244/https://techcrunch.com/2021/05/24/delhi-police-run-by-indias-central-government-raids-twitter-offices-over-manipulated-label/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210524155244/https://techcrunc.... It would be interesting to know why they rolled it back. I haven't read the article, but I bet there was something excessive about the original claim, because they've softened it in two ways: changing "raided" to "visited" and putting scare quotes around "manipulated".
- sanmon3186 5y agoWorld would be better place if we don't take sides. Most if not all real world issues comes in shades for grey. In this case the controversy indeed started on Twitter. Twitter clearly took a side, and hence owes explanation on why it thinks it is a case of "manipulated media". Did Govt of India require to send trooper to deliver the notice? Absolutely no. As usual, it overreacted.