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But this is China, the CCP has full control of the media. Quote the Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
by temp8964 5y ago
But this is China, the CCP has full control of the media.
Quote the Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine
> The Great Chinese Famine (Chinese: 三年大饥荒, "three years of great famine") was a period between 1959 and 1961 in the history of the People's Republic of China (PRC) characterized by widespread famine.[1][2][3][4][5] Some scholars have also included the years 1958 or 1962.[6][7][8][9] The Great Chinese Famine is widely regarded as the deadliest famine and one of the greatest man-made disasters in human history, with an estimated death toll due to starvation that ranges in the tens of millions (15 to 55 million).[3][4][5][10][11][12][13][14][15]
> The major contributing factors in the famine were the policies of the Great Leap Forward (1958 to 1962) and people's communes, such as inefficient distribution of food due to the planned economy, requiring the use of poor agricultural techniques, the Four Pests Campaign that reduced bird populations (which disrupted the ecosystem), over-reporting of grain production (which was actually decreasing), and ordering millions of farmers to switch to iron and steel production.[3][5][7][12][14][16] During the Seven Thousand Cadres Conference in early 1962, Liu Shaoqi, the second Chairman of the PRC, formally attributed 30% of the famine to natural disasters and 70% to man-made errors ("三分天灾, 七分人祸").[7][17][18] After the launch of Reforms and Opening Up, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) officially stated in June 1981 that the famine was mainly due to the mistakes of the Great Leap Forward as well as the Anti-Rightist Campaign, in addition to some natural disasters and the Sino-Soviet split.[1][2]
BTW: Wikipedia is banned in China.
- cowsandmilk 5y agoNot sure what you are trying to say here. As mentioned in the tweet, he is revered because his research truly did improve agriculture. As opposed to the previous generation of agriculture researchers that worked on the Great Leap Forward that caused the famine.
- temp8964 5y ago"the previous generation of agriculture researchers that worked on the Great Leap Forward that caused the famine"? What the hell are you talking about? What do you mean "agriculture researchers that worked on the Great Leap Forward"?
- EastToWest 5y agoYuan Longping's breakthrough happened in the 70s. The great famine happened in early 60s. I'm not sure what your post is about.
- temp8964 5y agoI was responding to this: "Many people are grateful to him for his contributions in fighting famine. "
- EastToWest 5y agoAnd? Should people hate him for what he did? What is the dispute here? Would you not feel grateful for his contributions, regardless of what end of the political spectrum you're on? Take your ideology crusade elsewhere.
- temp8964 5y agoWhat? "Yuan Longping's breakthrough happened in the 70s. The great famine happened in early 60s." This is your own words!
- EastToWest 5y agoI'm totally lost. Are you implying he's responsible for the great famine somehow? "Fighting famine" is a generic term. His contributions prevented future famine. That does count as "fighting famine", doesn't it?
- temp8964 5y agoYeah. People running and crying thanks his contribution for preventing future famine.
- EastToWest 5y agoIt is fine that you don't relate to or understand his contributions. I would have done the same if I were in Changsha. Feel free to believe in what you think is true. I'm done with this discussion. Have a nice day.
- oefrha 5y agoSo what? Famine has been a thing long before and long after the birth of any modern day ideology. (I say “modern day” because I’m not sure if the very first hunter-gatherers had ideologies.) Even if famine was never a thing, increasing crop yields is still worthwhile research that directly benefits mankind, and it goes beyond boundaries. A scientist who devoted their entire life to ending hunger just passed away and all you can do is post some generic ideological bait. Somewhere along your ideological quest a line of basic human decency is crossed.
- temp8964 5y agoI was responding to this: "Many people are grateful to him for his contributions in fighting famine. "
- Aperocky 5y agoAnd is that not true? Are those people not grateful? What is your point?
- east2west 5y agoEver since introduction of potato to China large scale famines disappeared in China except for those caused by war, and by army and government seizing foods. Those modern famines are notable for their scale, duration, and entirely man-made political causes. CCP absolutely insists on calling them "natural disasters," precisely because they are unnatural. That is what!
- dang 5y agoTaking HN threads into nationalistic flamewar or ideological flamewar will get you banned on HN. No more of this, please. What you posted here was particularly lame and shallow. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27262618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27262618.
- temp8964 5y agoI didn't want to make any flamewar, nationalistic or ideological. I was simply pointing out the fact that he had nothing to do with the great famine. The back and forth from others was not my intention. Anyway.
- dang 5y agoIf you really just meant to point out that he had nothing to do with the great famine, then I definitely did not understand your intention, and I dare say almost no other readers did either. That was super unclear! This comes up a lot actually. Intent does not communicate itself on the internet—especially not on divisive/flamewar topics. Therefore the burden is on the commenter to disambiguate: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=disambiguate%20burden%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so.... As for the back and forth, I understand completely how when people start feeling mutually provoked, the discussion tends to spiral downward in a tit-for-tat way that is incredibly hard to resist. We all need to work on that (me included).
- temp8964 5y agoThanks.