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TL;DR: facebook stores exif data. however it strips it out for display to the public. This includes geodata. Its unclear what they do with it after, and how you

TL;DR: facebook stores exif data. however it strips it out for display to the public. This includes geodata. Its unclear what they do with it after, and how you have control over it. Interesting nugget: the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data. I think the scepticism of facebook is a good thing, however I really wish it would be applied equally to every big company. Especially when they so clearly abuse privacy like Apple and Google.

LucidLynx 5y ago
> Interesting nugget: the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data. I did not saw this in the article... Can you elaborate on this like copy/pasting the line(s) from the article please?
- chrisandchris 5y ago
  > iOS 14.5 is also fairly new—the impact is still being assessed. And so we’ll need to wait and see what workarounds the data giants find to keep tracking our web and app activity. 6th paragraph. However, I‘m not sure whether Apple or Facebook is „the data giants“.
  - mrunseen 5y ago
    Apple is a data giant, that’s for sure but article talks mostly about location data which Apple has raw access to.
- KaiserPro 5y ago
  the image labelled "Privacy Labels - Facebook Vs Rivals @UKZak / Apple"
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  - KaiserPro 5y ago
    The reason why I say that image is a brazen lie is this: It says that there are only four things linked to you when you use imessage. one of those is "device id". It doesn't say thatit ties you to your icloud account. From that your location, passwords, icloud tabs, photos, purchases, etc, etc, etc are all indexable.
ricardo81 5y ago
I think one of his main points is that he explicitly indicated not to collect that data, and the FB app itself indicates that the functionality is 'switched off'. Also: "I suggested to them that this data is used for advertising purposes, and that this is “regardless of the privacy settings selected by the user within the Facebook/Instagram app on their phones.” Facebook told me it was fine to proceed with those assumptions." FB stance seems to be that the user has the option to strip EXIF data before uploading to FB. On the same token, can't strip your IP, guess that means a proxy.
- KaiserPro 5y ago
  > FB stance seems to be that the user has the option to strip EXIF data before uploading to FB. Which is pretty poor. I'd be interesting to see what twitter, tiktok and snap do with similar data. Although people seem pretty chilled with other companies doing it. We already know google indexes by location. That's how they do the real time busyness graphs.
helsinkiandrew 5y ago
> Its unclear what they do with it after The article states that FB all but confirmed that it is used for advertising purposes. > the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data. Where's the proof/evidence of this? Apps/OS have been found to leak/send some 'personal' data to Apple servers, but they say they don't track outside of apps (so app store ads use data from your app store usage etc), for them to do so without admitting it would be a huge commercial risk for very little gain (advertising revenue is still a small % of their total revenue).
- KaiserPro 5y ago
  > Apps/OS have been found to leak/send some 'personal' data to Apple servers, This isn't about leaks, its about actual design. The itracker system scans your local area for tags, and reports back their IDs and your location. This was rolled out without consent. By default apple collects "significant locations", which is then accessible to the itracker system ostensibly to warn you about tracking devices. We accept this because apple are "trusted". What if Apple are only trusted because they understand how to PR their way out of a bad narrative? By default all your photos are sent to icloud. They are indexed and processed to give you faces, locations and other (useful) metadata tools. In one of the OS upgrades, OSX uploaded all my passwords saved in my laptop keychain to icloud, without consent or warning. Not only that it shared them with my phone. My phone didn't at the time have a strong password set. Just imagine the sheer breathless indignity if facebook, tiktok, or similar tried just one of these actions. However apple(and google) has impunity to do all. That's my point, if we do care about privacy, then we need to apply the same level of criticism to _all_ companies.
  - helsinkiandrew 5y ago
    > By default all your photos are sent to icloud Go into settings and turn off iCloud for photos, keychain and any other app you don't want it to work with. The difference of all of these things is that Apple is doing it to improve its apps for YOU, uploading photos from your phone to iCloud so you can see on other devices, or face recognition to group your photos, keychain copying is used across devices that you've enabled it for. FB is using the data to create targeted ads, Apple isn't. If you don't like Apples cloud processing of your photos or passwords turn it off. The data may be in Apples iCloud but is 'private' - it's probably as secure as your home or the phone in your pocket and at least as private as the information the phone companies have about your phone location.
cookiengineer 5y ago
> Interesting nugget: the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data. I always wonder why the bias is always against facebook and apple. As if people don't realize that all the privacy smoke and mirrors was just about being able to compete with the Ad Industry. Apple Ads now does the same, in a non-blockable manner. I mean, it clearly was about business tactics all along.
tjpnz 5y ago
>I think the scepticism of facebook is a good thing, however I really wish it would be applied equally to every big company. Especially when they so clearly abuse privacy like Apple and Google. The difference between Apple and Facebook is that Facebook's entire business model is built on abusing the privacy of it's users.
- KaiserPro 5y ago
  So is google's, and all the ad tech companies, a bunch of medical tech companies, most of TV. But we don't give them as much introspection. but, apart from cambridge analytica, where actual data was leaked, what privacy abuses are unique to facebook? Its not like they drove around harvesting your wifi to geolocate you, or deliberately hid breaches to protect it's "good name", or sells your location data to any and everyone who asks is it? All big companies have done shitty things, but why do we let them off? shouldn't we hold them to account as well?

LucidLynx 5y ago

> Interesting nugget: the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data. I did not saw this in the article... Can you elaborate on this like copy/pasting the line(s) from the article please?

chrisandchris 5y ago
> iOS 14.5 is also fairly new—the impact is still being assessed. And so we’ll need to wait and see what workarounds the data giants find to keep tracking our web and app activity. 6th paragraph. However, I‘m not sure whether Apple or Facebook is „the data giants“.
- mrunseen 5y ago
  Apple is a data giant, that’s for sure but article talks mostly about location data which Apple has raw access to.
KaiserPro 5y ago
the image labelled "Privacy Labels - Facebook Vs Rivals @UKZak / Apple"
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- KaiserPro 5y ago
  The reason why I say that image is a brazen lie is this: It says that there are only four things linked to you when you use imessage. one of those is "device id". It doesn't say thatit ties you to your icloud account. From that your location, passwords, icloud tabs, photos, purchases, etc, etc, etc are all indexable.

ricardo81 5y ago

I think one of his main points is that he explicitly indicated not to collect that data, and the FB app itself indicates that the functionality is 'switched off'. Also: "I suggested to them that this data is used for advertising purposes, and that this is “regardless of the privacy settings selected by the user within the Facebook/Instagram app on their phones.” Facebook told me it was fine to proceed with those assumptions." FB stance seems to be that the user has the option to strip EXIF data before uploading to FB. On the same token, can't strip your IP, guess that means a proxy.

KaiserPro 5y ago
> FB stance seems to be that the user has the option to strip EXIF data before uploading to FB. Which is pretty poor. I'd be interesting to see what twitter, tiktok and snap do with similar data. Although people seem pretty chilled with other companies doing it. We already know google indexes by location. That's how they do the real time busyness graphs.

helsinkiandrew 5y ago

> Its unclear what they do with it after The article states that FB all but confirmed that it is used for advertising purposes. > the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data. Where's the proof/evidence of this? Apps/OS have been found to leak/send some 'personal' data to Apple servers, but they say they don't track outside of apps (so app store ads use data from your app store usage etc), for them to do so without admitting it would be a huge commercial risk for very little gain (advertising revenue is still a small % of their total revenue).

KaiserPro 5y ago
> Apps/OS have been found to leak/send some 'personal' data to Apple servers, This isn't about leaks, its about actual design. The itracker system scans your local area for tags, and reports back their IDs and your location. This was rolled out without consent. By default apple collects "significant locations", which is then accessible to the itracker system ostensibly to warn you about tracking devices. We accept this because apple are "trusted". What if Apple are only trusted because they understand how to PR their way out of a bad narrative? By default all your photos are sent to icloud. They are indexed and processed to give you faces, locations and other (useful) metadata tools. In one of the OS upgrades, OSX uploaded all my passwords saved in my laptop keychain to icloud, without consent or warning. Not only that it shared them with my phone. My phone didn't at the time have a strong password set. Just imagine the sheer breathless indignity if facebook, tiktok, or similar tried just one of these actions. However apple(and google) has impunity to do all. That's my point, if we do care about privacy, then we need to apply the same level of criticism to _all_ companies.
- helsinkiandrew 5y ago
  > By default all your photos are sent to icloud Go into settings and turn off iCloud for photos, keychain and any other app you don't want it to work with. The difference of all of these things is that Apple is doing it to improve its apps for YOU, uploading photos from your phone to iCloud so you can see on other devices, or face recognition to group your photos, keychain copying is used across devices that you've enabled it for. FB is using the data to create targeted ads, Apple isn't. If you don't like Apples cloud processing of your photos or passwords turn it off. The data may be in Apples iCloud but is 'private' - it's probably as secure as your home or the phone in your pocket and at least as private as the information the phone companies have about your phone location.

cookiengineer 5y ago

> Interesting nugget: the author repeats the lies that apple doesn't collect/store/index your data. I always wonder why the bias is always against facebook and apple. As if people don't realize that all the privacy smoke and mirrors was just about being able to compete with the Ad Industry. Apple Ads now does the same, in a non-blockable manner. I mean, it clearly was about business tactics all along.

tjpnz 5y ago

>I think the scepticism of facebook is a good thing, however I really wish it would be applied equally to every big company. Especially when they so clearly abuse privacy like Apple and Google. The difference between Apple and Facebook is that Facebook's entire business model is built on abusing the privacy of it's users.

KaiserPro 5y ago
So is google's, and all the ad tech companies, a bunch of medical tech companies, most of TV. But we don't give them as much introspection. but, apart from cambridge analytica, where actual data was leaked, what privacy abuses are unique to facebook? Its not like they drove around harvesting your wifi to geolocate you, or deliberately hid breaches to protect it's "good name", or sells your location data to any and everyone who asks is it? All big companies have done shitty things, but why do we let them off? shouldn't we hold them to account as well?