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Dude, get new friends. They sound horrible. So many stories. My skip level manager had me in a 1-on-1 once and said something along the lines: “you probably g

Dude, get new friends. They sound horrible. So many stories. My skip level manager had me in a 1-on-1 once and said something along the lines: “you probably got the green card because Trump likes your demographic”. (I have an EB-1 extraordinary ability green card, and I assume they were talking about me being straight and white). What the fuck am I supposed to say there? Was absolutely speechless. Moments like that are basically shit tests: “are you one of us?” Pretty sure I failed that test. Oh well. One time quite recently I shared a Joe Rogan podcast on slack (Moxie from Signal was on there). I then went to sleep. Man, when I woke up the thread was popping with “I refuse to click on this link”, “Joe Rogan is a transphobe”. Someone posting stories about Joe Rogan being friends with Alex Jones and how problematic that is. Nothing to do with the actual podcast episode with Moxie. If anything, it was hilariously ironic because they were talking about how Signal provides privacy for people and how, if you don’t have privacy, people will scrutinise everything you’ve ever said and find ways to #cancel you. Just bizarre. I couldn’t even be bothered to respond. Honestly most stories at work are just the accumulation of tiny comments here and there. Just the odd joke about conservatives or the implicit assumption you agree with them. One time some girl at work told me “I can tell you’re not as liberal as us”. I asked her why, because I definitely wasn’t but I also definitely didn’t bother arguing at work. She said she could just tell by my vibe. I mean it’s true. Fair play to her I guess.

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w0de0 5y ago
You must know that Joe Rogan is a polarizing figure and posting him in any but a right-wing community is going to be a troll for reactions. That doesn’t strike me as “bizarre,” it strikes me as the obvious outcome for your choice. You posted on good faith, but if so, you should reflect upon your reaction if a podcast from a thinker you despised was posted. In short I’m not sure you’re really engaging with a theory of mind, you’re falling into the trap we all often fall into of treating interlocutors as automatons.
- Moodles 5y ago
  >! You must know that Joe Rogan is a polarizing figure and posting him in any but a right-wing community is going to be a troll for reactions My PhD work was on Signal. I work in security. I literally just wanted to talk about Signal, man. It was actually pretty disappointing to me people talked about how problematic Joe Rogan is instead. > you should reflect upon your reaction if a podcast from a thinker you despised was posted. I just said I have a gazillion stories about how it’s better to keep silent in San Francisco than voice your opinion. Trust me, I wouldn’t react the same way. I definitely don’t want to #csncel e.g. John Oliver just because he said some shit I disagreed with once. I hate that culture. In fact, I’d probably share him if he happened to be saying something I thought was interesting at the time. I think I have before when he was talking about Apple privacy or blockchains actually. So no, I wouldn’t react the same way.
  - w0de0 5y ago
    The platonic ideal of a space safe for all ideologies doesn't exist, so let me rephrase: imagine someone posted a podcast of an ideologue, in a place where you feel safe expressing your opinion, as the detractors of your Joe Rogan piece felt safe where you posted him. Certainly with a PhD you can't actually have been surprised by the reaction to your post. What's the point of your performative surprise? Do you think people shouldn't have disagreed with Joe Rogan, or been angry with him? Is it that you don't feel safe expressing your opinion in certain places, because so many people disagree with it, and that's wrong, you should be afforded the same ideological safety as the woke crowd when among them? I don't understand, I guess. It all still seems very lacking in theory of mind. You can't change the world for the better by trolling.
    - Moodles 5y ago
      > imagine someone posted a podcast of an ideologue, in a place where you feel safe expressing your opinion, as the detractors of your Joe Rogan piece felt safe where you posted him. Are you trying to get me to say my reaction would be the same? It just wouldn’t be. I would at least listen to the episode before just commenting. Also where exactly is this place? My small group of friends? My partner? Anonymously online? That’s basically it. Because it’s definitely not work or social media. > Certainly with a PhD you can't actually have been surprised by the reaction to your post. What's the point of your performative surprise? Someone asked me for some weird stories from San Francisco, so I shared some. > Is it that you don't feel safe expressing your opinion in certain places Yeah that’s pretty much the point of my stories and the topic of this HN thread. > You can't change the world for the better by trolling. Yea this conversation is over then. If you think I’m just trying to troll people there’s really no point for me to talk to you.
throwkeep 5y ago
This also sounds like Scientology or at the very least a high pressure religion. "Joe is an evil person who will introduce you to evil things! We do not speak of him here." "Are you a true believer or not?" "We can tell you're not a devoted Scientologist." "Fall in line, or we'll bully and ostracize you."
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- Lammy 5y ago
  The term is "Suppressive Person" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person
ne0flex 5y ago
Your skip level manager experience reminds me of an interaction with a diversity officer at my previous employer. The company had hired a diversity officer and she began an initiative that requierd all company employees take an optional cultural course that was essentially something about power dynamics between culture/race. Since it wasn't really relevant to my role, I decided not to take the course as it was optional... until I found out it wasn't. I started receiving emails and phone calls from the diversity officer that I should take the course. I thought it was a bit weird and just ignored her. She then contacted my boss and told her to tell me to take the course. Starting to get pissed off, I asked my boss if the course was option, she said yes, then I said I'm not taking it. I'm mixed race with mainly French and Indian ancestry and while I can pass for full white (albeit a white person that spends time in the sun), my skin is tanned just enough that I can pass for other ethnic groups as well. However, my name is undoubtedly French. I then received an email from the diversity officer saying that I was an example of a problematic white person and that I was probably ignoring her because she was female and Indian. Then I was contacted by HR for discriminatory conduct and told to report to their office. When I showed up at the office, I could visibly see they were confused as they were clearly expecting someone that didn't look like me. Luckily for me, some of my family is Hindu and I happened to be wearing a religious bracelet I received as a present and I was basically able to fend off their accusations of racism and whatnot. Left the company shortly afterwards.
- beckingz 5y ago
  Is this the type of harassment based on (perceived race) that you could sue over?
- derangedHorse 5y ago
  If that were me, my next few words back to the diversity officer would probably get me fired depending on how rational the people in charge of my employment were. If they were just as irrational as her, I would definitely be getting the boot though.

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w0de0 5y ago

You must know that Joe Rogan is a polarizing figure and posting him in any but a right-wing community is going to be a troll for reactions. That doesn’t strike me as “bizarre,” it strikes me as the obvious outcome for your choice. You posted on good faith, but if so, you should reflect upon your reaction if a podcast from a thinker you despised was posted. In short I’m not sure you’re really engaging with a theory of mind, you’re falling into the trap we all often fall into of treating interlocutors as automatons.

Moodles 5y ago
>! You must know that Joe Rogan is a polarizing figure and posting him in any but a right-wing community is going to be a troll for reactions My PhD work was on Signal. I work in security. I literally just wanted to talk about Signal, man. It was actually pretty disappointing to me people talked about how problematic Joe Rogan is instead. > you should reflect upon your reaction if a podcast from a thinker you despised was posted. I just said I have a gazillion stories about how it’s better to keep silent in San Francisco than voice your opinion. Trust me, I wouldn’t react the same way. I definitely don’t want to #csncel e.g. John Oliver just because he said some shit I disagreed with once. I hate that culture. In fact, I’d probably share him if he happened to be saying something I thought was interesting at the time. I think I have before when he was talking about Apple privacy or blockchains actually. So no, I wouldn’t react the same way.
- w0de0 5y ago
  The platonic ideal of a space safe for all ideologies doesn't exist, so let me rephrase: imagine someone posted a podcast of an ideologue, in a place where you feel safe expressing your opinion, as the detractors of your Joe Rogan piece felt safe where you posted him. Certainly with a PhD you can't actually have been surprised by the reaction to your post. What's the point of your performative surprise? Do you think people shouldn't have disagreed with Joe Rogan, or been angry with him? Is it that you don't feel safe expressing your opinion in certain places, because so many people disagree with it, and that's wrong, you should be afforded the same ideological safety as the woke crowd when among them? I don't understand, I guess. It all still seems very lacking in theory of mind. You can't change the world for the better by trolling.
  - Moodles 5y ago
    > imagine someone posted a podcast of an ideologue, in a place where you feel safe expressing your opinion, as the detractors of your Joe Rogan piece felt safe where you posted him. Are you trying to get me to say my reaction would be the same? It just wouldn’t be. I would at least listen to the episode before just commenting. Also where exactly is this place? My small group of friends? My partner? Anonymously online? That’s basically it. Because it’s definitely not work or social media. > Certainly with a PhD you can't actually have been surprised by the reaction to your post. What's the point of your performative surprise? Someone asked me for some weird stories from San Francisco, so I shared some. > Is it that you don't feel safe expressing your opinion in certain places Yeah that’s pretty much the point of my stories and the topic of this HN thread. > You can't change the world for the better by trolling. Yea this conversation is over then. If you think I’m just trying to troll people there’s really no point for me to talk to you.

throwkeep 5y ago

This also sounds like Scientology or at the very least a high pressure religion. "Joe is an evil person who will introduce you to evil things! We do not speak of him here." "Are you a true believer or not?" "We can tell you're not a devoted Scientologist." "Fall in line, or we'll bully and ostracize you."

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Lammy 5y ago
The term is "Suppressive Person" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person

ne0flex 5y ago

Your skip level manager experience reminds me of an interaction with a diversity officer at my previous employer. The company had hired a diversity officer and she began an initiative that requierd all company employees take an optional cultural course that was essentially something about power dynamics between culture/race. Since it wasn't really relevant to my role, I decided not to take the course as it was optional... until I found out it wasn't. I started receiving emails and phone calls from the diversity officer that I should take the course. I thought it was a bit weird and just ignored her. She then contacted my boss and told her to tell me to take the course. Starting to get pissed off, I asked my boss if the course was option, she said yes, then I said I'm not taking it. I'm mixed race with mainly French and Indian ancestry and while I can pass for full white (albeit a white person that spends time in the sun), my skin is tanned just enough that I can pass for other ethnic groups as well. However, my name is undoubtedly French. I then received an email from the diversity officer saying that I was an example of a problematic white person and that I was probably ignoring her because she was female and Indian. Then I was contacted by HR for discriminatory conduct and told to report to their office. When I showed up at the office, I could visibly see they were confused as they were clearly expecting someone that didn't look like me. Luckily for me, some of my family is Hindu and I happened to be wearing a religious bracelet I received as a present and I was basically able to fend off their accusations of racism and whatnot. Left the company shortly afterwards.

beckingz 5y ago
Is this the type of harassment based on (perceived race) that you could sue over?
derangedHorse 5y ago
If that were me, my next few words back to the diversity officer would probably get me fired depending on how rational the people in charge of my employment were. If they were just as irrational as her, I would definitely be getting the boot though.