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I don't think the argument is that it's some separate sphere entirely disconnected from normal human interaction. It's like saying "the point of a movie night i
by SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
I don't think the argument is that it's some separate sphere entirely disconnected from normal human interaction. It's like saying "the point of a movie night is to hang out and enjoy a movie together". If me and my friends were halfway through a movie, and I stood up and staged a loud political protest against something one of the characters said, my friends would be pretty rightfully unhappy with me.
- rStar 5y ago> my friends would be pretty rightfully unhappy with me. most people don’t go to work to recreate, so this is a bad example.
- jckahn 5y agoThat’s fair, but if a character in said movie was making brazenly anti-Semitic views (for instance) I think it would be reasonable to share that it made you uncomfortable and have a discussion about it at some reasonable time shortly thereafter.
- catgary 5y agoYeah, once I was watching the Ottoman Lieutenant with my wife and parents - I turned it off because the film seemed to be denying the Armenian genocide.
- caspper69 5y agoYou must be fun at parties. In my day, we had to constantly pick and choose our battles so we didn't come across as assholes. I guess going the opposite direction and airing every single tiny grievance to any person who will listen eliminates that minor inconvenience; everyone gets offended. But on the plus side you don't get offended anymore, and that's all that matters nowadays anyway.
- SamoyedFurFluff 5y agoIf the person you’re responding to is Armenian Who lost family members to the genocide I don’t think a movie denying that is a minor inconvenience.
- caspper69 5y agoI would think any sane person on this Earth would have the decency not to show such a film in the presence of a person with the background you describe. More likely, this person was offended and had no vested interest, as is all to often the case.
- catgary 5y agoI’m sorry that I’m aware of the Armenian genocide and get weirded out when people act like it didn’t happen or was justified. Would you keep watching a movie that took the stance “slavery wasn’t so bad” or “well we can all agree Hitler took things overboard, but you know the Jewish people in Europe weren’t perfect neighbours”?
- catgary 5y agoI’m sorry I’m aware of Armenian genocide, and the genocide denial aspect of the film is well detailed in the movie’s Wikipedia page so it took all of ten minutes to confirm what was happening. To be fair, I think it helped that it is a pretty easy movie to leave halfway through. Nobody seemed to mind.
- wpietri 5y agoOh? What are the kinds of things in a movie that might make you do that? Let's suppose you're black and go over to a white friend's house for movie night. He puts on something super racist (say, Birth of a Nation, or a collection of blackface routines). You object, but all of his guests mock you for being "too sensitive" and "too political". You say, "I'm not sitting here for this," and leave. Were they rightfully unhappy with you? I would say no, that your friends are assholes. That you aren't obliged to silently endorse your own oppression. And I think it's the same thing at work. Would I want endless off-topic discussion at work? No. But some of what people denigrate as "too political" is entirely material to the workplace. Indeed, the Basecamp mess shows clearly that "no politics" rules are about suppressing discussion of things that are relevant, and are necessary because they are relevant.