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> as some sort of vigilante justice machine Public safety departments everywhere are in denial how absolutely, utterly, batshit pissed off people are about pro

> as some sort of vigilante justice machine Public safety departments everywhere are in denial how absolutely, utterly, batshit pissed off people are about property crime. If police never investigate or arrest a single person or do one preventative thing against people breaking into your car, your house, stealing your bike, scamming you on the phone or on the web, taking random crap, no matter how big or small, you're going to prefer vigilante justice.

hemloc_io 5y ago
I'm curious as to what you mean? People in America at least are well known to be very angry about property crime. Look at NIMBYism as well.
- bananabreakfast 5y ago
  Not in California, where it explicitly cannot be a felony and has widely increased since prop 47 passed.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
>Public safety departments everywhere are in denial how absolutely, utterly, batshit pissed off people are about property crime. Someone from SV assumes the whole world is like SV. Water is wet. More news at 11. Rampant property crime is basically only a feature of the urban west coast and a maybe handful of cities in the mid-west and east. I live in an city most SV techies would sneer at and things don't go missing from my porch or the neighbor's porch.
- meroes 5y ago
  I personally experienced more of my property stolen while living in the Midwest than out West. If it's anecdote time and all..
- bluGill 5y ago
  It doesn't matter where you live, young kids will get into trouble. Most places that is limited to kids and they grow up.
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    There's a difference between 18yos taking stuff that isn't bolted down and getting your car broken into annually
- skrtskrt 5y ago
  The police are useless for both crime prevention and crime solving no matter where you live. > Rampant property crime is basically only a feature of the urban west coast and a maybe handful of cities in the mid-west and east. Surprise when you live near more people, there's more chance you live near a criminal. It's all anecdata. I lived in a remote rural area that had like no property crime for over a decade, then a spate of break-ins. The police do absolutely nothing there too. They supposedly dusted our whole house for fingerprints after the break in and couldn't find a single one, including our fingerprints. Entire house. not a single fingerprint. After receiving federally-sponsored forensics training they publicly boasted about.
- kevinskii 5y ago
  > Rampant property crime is basically only a feature of the urban west coast and a maybe handful of cities in the mid-west and east. Not quite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...
- amznthrwaway 5y ago
  Top 10 Property Crime Rates by City 1. Myrtle Beach, SC - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 112.34 2. Alexandria, LA - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 89.64 3. Springfield, MO - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 77.93 4. Miami Beach, FL - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 75.68 5. Joplin, MO - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 72.62 6. Hot Springs, AR - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 71.76 7. Florence, SC - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 66.31 8. North Myrtle Beach, SC - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 65.81 9. Monroe, LA - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 65.79 10. Spartanburg, SC - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 64.89
- majormajor 5y ago
  > Someone from SV assumes the whole world is like SV. Water is wet. More news at 11. > Rampant property crime is basically only a feature of the urban west coast and a maybe handful of cities in the mid-west and east. > I live in an city most SV techies would sneer at and things don't go missing from my porch or the neighbor's porch. Ironically, this reads like someone in a well-off neighborhood with no idea what happens in other neighborhoods in their non-SV city. Everyone "knew" growing up in middle-of-TX town which parts of town you didn't want to park overnight on the street in, or where you didn't want to leave a bike. Even beyond just reputation, you could often tell by the houses - people didn't put chain link around the front yard and bars over the window just for fun.
jfengel 5y ago
People are absolutely, utterly, batshit about a thing that has been falling steadily for decades: https://www.statista.com/statistics/191208/reported-cases-of-property-crime-in-the-us-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/191208/reported-cases-of... We can definitely do better -- I'd particularly love to see them start taking death threats on the Internet seriously -- but if people are becoming increasingly incensed despite the fall in the crime rate, it's because their perceptions are for some reason driven by something other than actual facts on the ground. And in particular, there is less of a need for vigilantism, not more.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  Hard to tell anything definitive from the reported numbers. It could be that people have given up on reporting property crime. This has been my experience. I know of about 20 car and home break ins in the last few years, none of which have been reported.
  - Zircom 5y ago
    I definitely think lack of reporting is at least partially to blame. It's even become an extremely common trope for cop/law enforcement in shows to have jokes and bits that riff off how useless they are with preventing and solving property and theft/robbery crimes. Anecdotally I had my bike stolen a few months ago and last year my car was broken into and my laptop/dashcam/wallet stolen, and didn't call the cops because as you said I know exactly how useless they are for that kind of stuff.
    - malandrew 5y ago
      well part of the problem, in Seattle at least, is that even when they do catch the people responsible, the DA is pressured by the city council and mayors office to generally release people who go on to re-offend. I have friends on the police force in Seattle and they lament that there is no point in arresting certain people for property crime because they just get released. It just becomes a waste of their time with the paperwork and showing up to court for nothing to come of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WijoL3Hy_Bw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WijoL3Hy_Bw

hemloc_io 5y ago

I'm curious as to what you mean? People in America at least are well known to be very angry about property crime. Look at NIMBYism as well.

bananabreakfast 5y ago
Not in California, where it explicitly cannot be a felony and has widely increased since prop 47 passed.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

>Public safety departments everywhere are in denial how absolutely, utterly, batshit pissed off people are about property crime. Someone from SV assumes the whole world is like SV. Water is wet. More news at 11. Rampant property crime is basically only a feature of the urban west coast and a maybe handful of cities in the mid-west and east. I live in an city most SV techies would sneer at and things don't go missing from my porch or the neighbor's porch.

meroes 5y ago
I personally experienced more of my property stolen while living in the Midwest than out West. If it's anecdote time and all..
bluGill 5y ago
It doesn't matter where you live, young kids will get into trouble. Most places that is limited to kids and they grow up.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  There's a difference between 18yos taking stuff that isn't bolted down and getting your car broken into annually
skrtskrt 5y ago
The police are useless for both crime prevention and crime solving no matter where you live. > Rampant property crime is basically only a feature of the urban west coast and a maybe handful of cities in the mid-west and east. Surprise when you live near more people, there's more chance you live near a criminal. It's all anecdata. I lived in a remote rural area that had like no property crime for over a decade, then a spate of break-ins. The police do absolutely nothing there too. They supposedly dusted our whole house for fingerprints after the break in and couldn't find a single one, including our fingerprints. Entire house. not a single fingerprint. After receiving federally-sponsored forensics training they publicly boasted about.
kevinskii 5y ago
> Rampant property crime is basically only a feature of the urban west coast and a maybe handful of cities in the mid-west and east. Not quite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...
amznthrwaway 5y ago
Top 10 Property Crime Rates by City 1. Myrtle Beach, SC - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 112.34 2. Alexandria, LA - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 89.64 3. Springfield, MO - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 77.93 4. Miami Beach, FL - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 75.68 5. Joplin, MO - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 72.62 6. Hot Springs, AR - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 71.76 7. Florence, SC - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 66.31 8. North Myrtle Beach, SC - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 65.81 9. Monroe, LA - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 65.79 10. Spartanburg, SC - Property crime rate per 1,000 residents: 64.89
majormajor 5y ago
> Someone from SV assumes the whole world is like SV. Water is wet. More news at 11. > Rampant property crime is basically only a feature of the urban west coast and a maybe handful of cities in the mid-west and east. > I live in an city most SV techies would sneer at and things don't go missing from my porch or the neighbor's porch. Ironically, this reads like someone in a well-off neighborhood with no idea what happens in other neighborhoods in their non-SV city. Everyone "knew" growing up in middle-of-TX town which parts of town you didn't want to park overnight on the street in, or where you didn't want to leave a bike. Even beyond just reputation, you could often tell by the houses - people didn't put chain link around the front yard and bars over the window just for fun.

jfengel 5y ago

People are absolutely, utterly, batshit about a thing that has been falling steadily for decades: https://www.statista.com/statistics/191208/reported-cases-of-property-crime-in-the-us-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/191208/reported-cases-of... We can definitely do better -- I'd particularly love to see them start taking death threats on the Internet seriously -- but if people are becoming increasingly incensed despite the fall in the crime rate, it's because their perceptions are for some reason driven by something other than actual facts on the ground. And in particular, there is less of a need for vigilantism, not more.

s1artibartfast 5y ago
Hard to tell anything definitive from the reported numbers. It could be that people have given up on reporting property crime. This has been my experience. I know of about 20 car and home break ins in the last few years, none of which have been reported.
- Zircom 5y ago
  I definitely think lack of reporting is at least partially to blame. It's even become an extremely common trope for cop/law enforcement in shows to have jokes and bits that riff off how useless they are with preventing and solving property and theft/robbery crimes. Anecdotally I had my bike stolen a few months ago and last year my car was broken into and my laptop/dashcam/wallet stolen, and didn't call the cops because as you said I know exactly how useless they are for that kind of stuff.
  - malandrew 5y ago
    well part of the problem, in Seattle at least, is that even when they do catch the people responsible, the DA is pressured by the city council and mayors office to generally release people who go on to re-offend. I have friends on the police force in Seattle and they lament that there is no point in arresting certain people for property crime because they just get released. It just becomes a waste of their time with the paperwork and showing up to court for nothing to come of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WijoL3Hy_Bw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WijoL3Hy_Bw