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2018 data: less than 10 % of the money has been used for music (excluding concerts) and cinemas. Please check your sources. 2.503 young people misused that duri

by frafra 5y ago

2018 data: less than 10 % of the money has been used for music (excluding concerts) and cinemas. Please check your sources. 2.503 young people misused that during 2017-2018. Every law can be violated; that does not mean it is bad or good just because someone could behave badly.

jokethrowaway 5y ago
Appreciate the stats. I disagree even with the use within the rules. I don't think society should pay for students' university books.
- distribot 5y ago
  One thing I've never understood about this position--why is university such a stark cutoff? Most everyone agrees students shouldn't have to pay for their books in K-12. We agree it's better for our society if primary and second education is not gated by a family's wealth. Not just ethnically, I think it's better for a nation's economic productivity. The whole world is getting more educated, and it does feel like a bachelors or equivalent training is what a high school diploma was 60 years ago.
- nexuist 5y ago
  > I don't think society should pay for students' university books. Why not? You will have to pay for their jail cells if they don't get the education experience they need to compete in a global economy.
  - _hyn3 5y ago
    jail cells? I hope you are merely waxing hyberbolic!! If I was French or Italian, I'd be extremely offended at that implication that kids are being taught that crime is an acceptable societal and moral choice, especially just because one might not receive a government bribe because they don't meet an arbitrary age requirement.
    - nexuist 5y ago
      Obviously paying for textbooks is not the breaking point, but it's a similar mentality (that society should not be responsible for its kids) that leads kids to crime when they have no marketable skills that can be used to get a job.
- imtringued 5y ago
  >I don't think society should pay for students' university books. Then society should stop accumulating savings beyond what is reasonable. There are two sides to every discussion.
- tomcooks 5y ago
  Then society gets the fruits of this small investments in terms of social services, public school, public hospitals, etc.

by frafra 5y ago

jokethrowaway 5y ago

Appreciate the stats. I disagree even with the use within the rules. I don't think society should pay for students' university books.

distribot 5y ago
One thing I've never understood about this position--why is university such a stark cutoff? Most everyone agrees students shouldn't have to pay for their books in K-12. We agree it's better for our society if primary and second education is not gated by a family's wealth. Not just ethnically, I think it's better for a nation's economic productivity. The whole world is getting more educated, and it does feel like a bachelors or equivalent training is what a high school diploma was 60 years ago.
nexuist 5y ago
> I don't think society should pay for students' university books. Why not? You will have to pay for their jail cells if they don't get the education experience they need to compete in a global economy.
- _hyn3 5y ago
  jail cells? I hope you are merely waxing hyberbolic!! If I was French or Italian, I'd be extremely offended at that implication that kids are being taught that crime is an acceptable societal and moral choice, especially just because one might not receive a government bribe because they don't meet an arbitrary age requirement.
  - nexuist 5y ago
    Obviously paying for textbooks is not the breaking point, but it's a similar mentality (that society should not be responsible for its kids) that leads kids to crime when they have no marketable skills that can be used to get a job.
imtringued 5y ago
>I don't think society should pay for students' university books. Then society should stop accumulating savings beyond what is reasonable. There are two sides to every discussion.
tomcooks 5y ago
Then society gets the fruits of this small investments in terms of social services, public school, public hospitals, etc.