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The electorate has largely given up or been brainwashed to think this is ok.

by avelis 5y ago

krapp 5y ago
All you have to do in Texas to deflect political blame is point to a Democrat and say "get a rope." I don't think the state was even entirely thawed before they started blaming the Biden Administration and AOC personally somehow.
- avelis 5y ago
  It's terrifying to think that the problem in 2021 has largely gone un-addressed at its core.
throw_nbvc1234 5y ago
I personally have little hope. The "left" and the "right" can't find any common ground. And you have powerful entities (media, social media) that make billions a year who benefit from this. And also entrenches government officials in power as they can play on the partisanship to get easily elected. The Unity 2020 movement was interesting. I thought it had no chance of working but seeing it shutdown by social media companies basically eliminated all hope in my mind of a grassroots movement emerging. The "best" case scenario in (left and right) people's heads is that one side will magically "win" but naively thinks that'll happen without violence. That they can convince the other side to change their minds by just making moral arguments. Not acknowledging that each side has fundamentally different values (tradition's tension with progress for example) that they use to make moral judgements. I'm just hoping i have the ability and foresight to go someplace quiet when everything kicks off. Maybe that'll bypass the whole conflict, maybe just allow me to have a few extra weeks of peace.
- danaris 5y ago
  > The "left" and the "right" can't find any common ground. And would-be centrists presenting it as if this is equally the fault of both sides is a significant contributor to the problem. The "right" has collectively decided that reality doesn't matter if it makes them look bad or disagrees with their increasingly-extreme dogma, that other people's lives are less important than rich people's money, and that democracy is bad if it means they have a harder time getting power. Oh, and that Nazis are good, actually. There are certainly elements of the "left" that are unhelpfully unwilling to compromise, but they're not even in the same zip code as the problems with today's American right wing, and painting them with the same brush makes it much harder to approach genuine solutions to these problems.
  - throw_nbvc1234 5y ago
    This is the same concept as a blameless post-mortem. Or the difference between the end of WWI and WWII peace treaty wise. You can blame and morally demonize the right all you want; and you make a reasonable argument why you'd be correct to do so. And yet, that mindset will not convince them to change. it'll just make things worse and eventually the unstoppable force will meet the immovable object. "There are certainly elements of the "left" that are unhelpfully unwilling to compromise, but they're not even in the same zip code as the problems with today's American right wing, and painting them with the same brush makes it much harder to approach genuine solutions to these problems. " Sounds like an argument for solving problems at the most local level possible. Something that the right used to champion and the left is fundamentally against. But also where there could be common ground if people wanted to actually solve problems instead of "dunking" on people and scoring more partisan points.
- imtringued 5y ago
  >The "left" and the "right" can't find any common ground. Party loyalty is the biggest scam ever. Only an idiot would align himself along any party line. No, politicians exist to bow down to us and serve us. We don't exist for the sake of our political parties. I only like Biden because current macroeconomics dictates that what he is doing must be done. Here, I'll admit that Trumps trade war was a good idea in the short term because it increases domestic employment and inflation until you reach a point where it makes sense to stop the trade war. His tax cuts happened with awful timing because they go against what macroeconomics dictated at the time. Considering the inability to rely on politicians to do things that must be done at all costs, yes I mean things where there is no room for negotiation and the decision has been forced upon you we still routinely see politicians refuse to to do them for no gain whatsoever. If anything they come up with fake explanations to repair the mental imbalance. We have decided that certain bad things are ok and let them happen in the real world, therefore we must create a positive fake narrative which balances out the negative impact of the bad decisions we have made so that we end up net zero mental impact on the population. Absolutely fantastic. Come on central banks, just skip the dumb politicians and do the damn helicopter money. Yes, we could have gotten modernized infrastructure (may even include green investments for climate change prevention as a completely unrelated bonus) for free but who cares.

The electorate has largely given up or been brainwashed to think this is ok.

by avelis 5y ago

The electorate has largely given up or been brainwashed to think this is ok.

All you have to do in Texas to deflect political blame is point to a Democrat and say "get a rope." I don't think the state was even entirely thawed before they started blaming the Biden Administration and AOC personally somehow.

avelis 5y ago
It's terrifying to think that the problem in 2021 has largely gone un-addressed at its core.

throw_nbvc1234 5y ago

I personally have little hope. The "left" and the "right" can't find any common ground. And you have powerful entities (media, social media) that make billions a year who benefit from this. And also entrenches government officials in power as they can play on the partisanship to get easily elected. The Unity 2020 movement was interesting. I thought it had no chance of working but seeing it shutdown by social media companies basically eliminated all hope in my mind of a grassroots movement emerging. The "best" case scenario in (left and right) people's heads is that one side will magically "win" but naively thinks that'll happen without violence. That they can convince the other side to change their minds by just making moral arguments. Not acknowledging that each side has fundamentally different values (tradition's tension with progress for example) that they use to make moral judgements. I'm just hoping i have the ability and foresight to go someplace quiet when everything kicks off. Maybe that'll bypass the whole conflict, maybe just allow me to have a few extra weeks of peace.

danaris 5y ago
> The "left" and the "right" can't find any common ground. And would-be centrists presenting it as if this is equally the fault of both sides is a significant contributor to the problem. The "right" has collectively decided that reality doesn't matter if it makes them look bad or disagrees with their increasingly-extreme dogma, that other people's lives are less important than rich people's money, and that democracy is bad if it means they have a harder time getting power. Oh, and that Nazis are good, actually. There are certainly elements of the "left" that are unhelpfully unwilling to compromise, but they're not even in the same zip code as the problems with today's American right wing, and painting them with the same brush makes it much harder to approach genuine solutions to these problems.
- throw_nbvc1234 5y ago
  This is the same concept as a blameless post-mortem. Or the difference between the end of WWI and WWII peace treaty wise. You can blame and morally demonize the right all you want; and you make a reasonable argument why you'd be correct to do so. And yet, that mindset will not convince them to change. it'll just make things worse and eventually the unstoppable force will meet the immovable object. "There are certainly elements of the "left" that are unhelpfully unwilling to compromise, but they're not even in the same zip code as the problems with today's American right wing, and painting them with the same brush makes it much harder to approach genuine solutions to these problems. " Sounds like an argument for solving problems at the most local level possible. Something that the right used to champion and the left is fundamentally against. But also where there could be common ground if people wanted to actually solve problems instead of "dunking" on people and scoring more partisan points.
imtringued 5y ago
>The "left" and the "right" can't find any common ground. Party loyalty is the biggest scam ever. Only an idiot would align himself along any party line. No, politicians exist to bow down to us and serve us. We don't exist for the sake of our political parties. I only like Biden because current macroeconomics dictates that what he is doing must be done. Here, I'll admit that Trumps trade war was a good idea in the short term because it increases domestic employment and inflation until you reach a point where it makes sense to stop the trade war. His tax cuts happened with awful timing because they go against what macroeconomics dictated at the time. Considering the inability to rely on politicians to do things that must be done at all costs, yes I mean things where there is no room for negotiation and the decision has been forced upon you we still routinely see politicians refuse to to do them for no gain whatsoever. If anything they come up with fake explanations to repair the mental imbalance. We have decided that certain bad things are ok and let them happen in the real world, therefore we must create a positive fake narrative which balances out the negative impact of the bad decisions we have made so that we end up net zero mental impact on the population. Absolutely fantastic. Come on central banks, just skip the dumb politicians and do the damn helicopter money. Yes, we could have gotten modernized infrastructure (may even include green investments for climate change prevention as a completely unrelated bonus) for free but who cares.