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Are they the small disaster ? What do you think is going to happen with all the lithium after being bounded by a 10 year old with a rock? Probably just going t
by volta83 5y ago
Are they the small disaster ? What do you think is going to happen with all the lithium after being bounded by a 10 year old with a rock?
Probably just going to land in the river, and then the sea.
- StavrosK 5y agoWhereas extra CO2 in the atmosphere is fine? Or do you mean that it's easier to sequester the CO2 than to get children to stop pounding things containing lithium?
- FridayoLeary 5y agoSounds reasonable. Plants absorb carbon. I'm not aware of anything organic that absorbs lithium.
- StavrosK 5y agoIf nothing organic absorbs lithium, what's the problem?
- volta83 5y agoabsorbs lithium naturally. Go ahead and try drinking a glass of lithium, or try growing vegetables with lithium instead of water.
- FridayoLeary 5y agoDon't. You'll thank me.
- volta83 5y agoThank you, I just dodged drinking a glass of lithium.
- volta83 5y ago> Or do you mean that it's easier to sequester the CO2 than to get children to stop pounding things containing lithium? The claim that electric cars are good for the environment is a lie. They are not "good", they are not even "neutral". They are "bad". People that really care about the environment ride a bike. They don't buy an electric car and try to justify the currently unknown long term environmental consequences of their purchase as somehow being better than the known consequences of gasoline and diesel cars. Today we just ship car batteries oversees to be scrapped for parts in the cheapest possible way by children. That doesn't sound good to me at all.
- StavrosK 5y agoIs the energy required to ride a bike somehow free? How do you ride a bike for hundreds of kilometers? > People that really care about the environment ride a bike. They don't buy an electric car and try to justify the currently unknown long term environmental consequences of their purchase as somehow being better than the known consequences of gasoline and diesel cars. This is so much false dichotomy that I'm having trouble assuming good faith.
- mrob 5y agoHumans require exercise to maintain good health. The energy required to ride a bike replaces energy that would otherwise be wasted on exercise equipment in a gym.
- StavrosK 5y agoSo you'd only ride for an hour a day, and you'd stop where you were and take a taxi the rest of the way, or what?
- mrob 5y agoIf it's too far to ride then a taxi (ideally, an electric vehicle) is a reasonable option. It's even reasonable to stop where you are and switch to a taxi. I don't know if it's possible with Uber or similar, but with traditional taxi operators you can call them and arrange for them to carry the bicycle too. The front wheel will have a quick release mechanism, and you can put down some sheeting to protect the interior of the taxi from grease/oil, or they might have an exterior bicycle carrier frame. But this will only be a minority of journeys.
- ninjamayo 5y agoLithium mining is an issue and can be improved. Lithium on its own ending up in the rivers and sea when it is a valuable commodity? How is that going to happen?
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y agoMining lithium is cheaper than recycling
- epistasis 5y agoReally? Where are the numbers for that assertion?
- selectodude 5y agoThe part where we mine lithium instead of recycle it is a good indicator.
- epistasis 5y agoOnly if there were waste streams of lithium of comparable scale, which there are not. We are enormously expanding our use of lithium, and the biggest problem for the places that are currently trying to recycle lithium batteries is that there aren't enough of them to recycle. A big source of their current batteries are just the defects from the current manufacturing process.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y agoRight now it's a fact that does not need numbers to prove. Hopefully by 2030 there will be a robust network of recycling facilities around the world, for the majority of exhausted lithium batteries. https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/batteries-storage/lithiumion-battery-recycling-finally-takes-off-in-north-america-and-europe https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/batteries-storage/lithiumio...
- mstipetic 5y agoWell let’s change it, things evolve, markets and regulations are set up
- adrianN 5y agoHow much Lithium needs to end up in the sea to be a comparable problem to even one broken oil tanker? Lithium salts are not terribly toxic.
- JoeAltmaier 5y agoI wonder too. The sea is the world's largest store of Lithium already.