6 ms·

I tried Sublime text and I really like it. But I have been a user of UltraEdit for many many years (maybe 20?) and I still find it much more natural to use. I

I tried Sublime text and I really like it. But I have been a user of UltraEdit for many many years (maybe 20?) and I still find it much more natural to use. I found it while looking for an editor to replace Semware's Qedit (DOS). I wonder why UltraEdit has not much love here. I do find Sublime's price much better than UltraEdit.

choicenotchance 5y ago
Never heard of UltraEdit in 10yrs of my career, or came across it when searching for editors and IDEs.
- frou_dh 5y ago
  Just wait until 2030+ and then you may be the metaphorical boomer sticking with software no one else has heard of!
  - copperx 5y ago
    I mean, Emacs is a bit like that. Newer text editors and Vim captured all of the younger generation. I haven't met anyone using Emacs as their daily driver, except professors.
- kwanbix 5y ago
  That is what I wonder, UltraEdit is really nice. I have no relation to them by the way, latest version that I own is 26 something. While the latest release is 28 something. Maybe it is because 28 years ago, when it first released, internet was just starting. Sublime is "only" 13 years old, so internet was already very much mainstream. But it is really good. Very fast. I love the column mode. If I search for UltraEdit in HN, the latest post if from 10 years ago, when they announced the Mac version: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2019148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2019148 Crazy.
  - rattray 5y ago
    That's incredible. From the website it looks like a Windows-oriented tool. If it weren't for your product I wouldn't have even guessed they had a Mac version. I bet they'd do much better with adoption if they customized their homepage screenshots to the platform viewing the page… For others curious about Column Mode, here's their link with a nice video: https://www.ultraedit.com/support/tutorials-power-tips/ultraedit/column-mode.html https://www.ultraedit.com/support/tutorials-power-tips/ultra... Apparently in VS Code you can do similar things: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/editor/codebasics#_column-box-selection https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/editor/codebasics#_column... 1. Hold ⇧⌥ and drag for box select. 2. Press ⇧⌥⌘↓ for "column select down" 3. Run "Toggle column selection mode" and ⇧↓. (Still looks like UltraEdit has some very powerful features for manipulating text in columns, like aligning whitespace). TIL. Looks great!
    - kwanbix 5y ago
      It could be because they started as a Windows only product, then they produced a Linux version, and finally the Mac version. I have only used the Windows/Linux versions. By the way, with one license you can use all 3 platforms. I actually use the Portable Windows version, for when the company I work for won't allow me to install software :)
      - erwincoumans 5y ago
        Indeed, I purchased a perpetual Ultraedit license for Windows, Mac and Linux many years ago. I like the hex editing, huge file support, column editing.
    - bradstewart 5y ago
      In VSCode you can also middle-click (the scroll wheel on a mouse) and drag to do column select.
      - kwanbix 5y ago
        But what I lick of UE is that you can do everything with your keyboard, no need to use the mouse.
- free652 5y ago
  I used ultraedit like 15 years ago, but switched to notepad++. I think due to performance problems. I don't like sublime3, too much tinkering via a command line.
  - kwanbix 5y ago
    Yeah, notepad++. I also tried it. The price was better (free), but it lacked column mode, "reformat paragraph" (it basically takes separate lines and makes it into a paragraph), and trim trailing spaces, at least when I tested it, which I used a lot.
    - ableal 5y ago
      Column mode and trim spaces have existed in notepad++ for years, but may be a bit hard to find. I just checked, and that may have improved: both are on the Edit menu, bottom half.
      - kwanbix 5y ago
        Yes, I couldn't find at the time how to use them. I am talking again probable 15 or 20 years ago, so it might have been version 0.1 of N++.
- quickthrower2 5y ago
  I remember using it in 1999 it was outstanding compared to what else was available on windows and I’m not a vim/emacs kinda person. Might give it another try
- thebrain 5y ago
  You've probably never needed to work with really large files or edit/examine a fie in HEX, it really shines for these use cases. It's not really an IDE and I've never used it to write code.
- ok123456 5y ago
  UltraEdit was the best editor for Windows in the late 90s early 2000s. I remember asking my boss for it. The niche it filled was surpassed by Notepad++ and other free tools.
fouc 5y ago
I think a lot of developers on macosx were using Textmate before they switched to Sublime Text
- nobleach 5y ago
  Yup, this was my exact experience. In Windows land, I used whatever IDE was built for whatever language I was using (Turbo Pascal, Visual Basic, Visual C++, Visual FoxPro, Borland Delphi) When I started doing web, it was all Notepad++ and BBEdit, Dreamweaver. Then I found Textmate. It was so perfect. Having no Windows version was so upsetting. When Sublime showed up, I was so happy. I had always used Vim in my IT career though, so once I started learning how to make that work for more than editing config files, that became my daily driver.
globular-toast 5y ago
UltraEdit is probably the best text editor there is. Not the best IDE or anything, just the best text editor. It seems thoroughly underappreciated, though, for some reason. It's the only editor I'm aware of that can do do disk-based editing, that is you can open a file of multiple gigabytes quickly and edit it because it doesn't load the whole file into RAM.
- rjzzleep 5y ago
  Another underappreciated editor is visual slickedit[1] It will happily allow you to edit TB large files [1] https://www.slickedit.com/ https://www.slickedit.com/
  - rstupek 5y ago
    I've used slickedit for at least 20 years on windows. It's definitely a good editor as well
- quickthrower2 5y ago
  That’s pretty cool. I use vim for this particular need and it’s quick to search through big files too
  - istjohn 5y ago
    Really? I've found Vim slows to a crawl on multi-GB files. Maybe that's changed recently or it was down to the plug-ins I was using?
    - ok123456 5y ago
      It's probably from creating a backup copy. Compare performance when invoking 'view' instead of 'vim'. It could be from your plugins if they're doing something goofy.
    - quickthrower2 5y ago
      I use vim out of the box with no plugins and on windows. Not sure if that makes a difference. I’m also typically not editing the file but searching logs.
JaggerJo 5y ago
> I wonder why UltraEdit has not much love here. Just from looking at the screenshots on their site I wouldn't install it (because of it's ugly UI).
- kwanbix 5y ago
  The UI is pretty configurable. You can use Menus, Menus with toolbars, or Menus with Ribbon. I use it only with menus.
- Al-Khwarizmi 5y ago
  First thing I do when installing it is to turn off the ribbon and set it to the good old menu-based UI. Which of course, might be "ugly" for you as well.
biztos 5y ago
I used UltraEdit a million years ago and I think it’s just a matter of familiarity. I remember being unable to go back to BBEdit when I switched back to Mac from Windows, I was so tuned in to UE’s power features. When I tried Sublime 2 I wanted to like it but it just felt weird, so I went back to… TextMate, which probably feels weird to other (especially younger) people. But I’d been using TextMate forever and had a lot of things integrated with my shell so that was my “normal.” I’ll give Sublime another try though: I want their business model to work, I love that they’re cross platform, and the plug-in API looks pretty nice now that I’ve done a bunch of Python work.
twh270 5y ago
QEdit on DOS... now that brings back some memories! I went in for their flagship TSE (The Semware Editor) when it came out and was duly impressed. I have used Notepad++ as my regular non-IDE editor for probably 15 years; there are a handful of (semi-)unique features that I really appreciate. I'm guessing UltraEdit keeps its user base for similar reasons.
- mrspuratic 5y ago
  A long time ago... used it a lot in 80x50 line text mode, lightening fast, good macro and configuration options (ISTR a separate tool to "reconfigure" the main binary). Had many of the same default bindings as the Borland IDEs, handy since the TurboC IDE used to run out of steam around 1000 loc or so, that's when I learned Makefiles. Never took to TSE, sequence of bad experiences with stability.
pkphilip 5y ago
Then there is SlickEdit which has been around for decades as well. I wonder how they are able to continue to be in business with all of the editors such as Visual Studio Code being available for free. https://www.slickedit.com/ https://www.slickedit.com/
- paulryanrogers 5y ago
  Good question. I tried it for an embedded project and it didn't strike me as anything special. It could also be there are some great features hiding there that polyglots will never have the time to explore.
- GiorgioG 5y ago
  I still have my original SlickEdit installation CD from long long ago. As far as how they can continue to be in business, easy - corporate maintenance licenses...
BunsanSpace 5y ago
my work makes us use UltraEdit (custom langauge) and frankly I hated it so much I wrote a custom language plugin for sublime my self so I could switch back. UltraEdit just feels like it's stuck 10 years in the past.
- kwanbix 5y ago
  In what way? I have used Sublime2 and 3, which might feel faster, VS Editor (I think is the name), much heavier, and Atom I think is the other. Never felt "wow, this is the future".
  - BunsanSpace 5y ago
    UltraEdit is clunky, the UI is very dated and the fonts are not well rendered. It's not fast and has a large lack of theme support (there's no solarized theme for it, which is industry standard at this point). I just didn't like it and would rather use a more modern editor, e.g. sublime. Only took a day or two to write the required plugins to get our language support for it.
    - kwanbix 5y ago
      I cannot disagree more with all that omyou said. The UI can be whatever you want. It has themes, and I understand you can create your own. I don't see how sublime is more modern. For me are very similar.
Al-Khwarizmi 5y ago
Another long-time UltraEdit user here. I love it in general, but in particular there's one feature that I can't do without: column mode. I don't understand why other editors haven't copied it (at least to my knowledge. If you know any other that has it, I'd like to know). For those of us that often work with CSV-like formats, it's a real time saver. It's also better behaved for huge files than any other editor I've tried.
- slim 5y ago
  What is column mode?
  - hunter2_ 5y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27232874 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27232874
- LegionMammal978 5y ago
  I've been using ST3 for the past few years, and I have a go-to keyboard sequence for a column mode equivalent: Select the entire block, press Ctrl+Shift+L to split the selection into individual lines, press Home to create a cursor at the start of each line, and use the right arrow to navigate the cursor to the desired column. (You can also edit the end of each line by pressing End, move by entire words with Ctrl+Left or Right, and so on.)
- gavinray 5y ago
  VS Code has column mode
- adrian_b 5y ago
  Column-mode in editors comes from ancient history. The BRIEF editor for MS-DOS, intended to be a "Programmer's Editor", some time before 1990, already included column mode and many other features that few editors have today.
- ybbond 5y ago
  FWIW Sublime Text do have "multi cursor editing" mode that can do some basic column mode editing. Add to that vi keybindings to ST, and you can get better and faster "column mode-like" editing.
calvin_ 5y ago
Windows based editors are a dying breed. The Unix and web-based editors have sucked the oxygen out of the room.
robdelacruz 5y ago
Back then I loved UltraEdit. It was the fastest editor at the time and could open even the most humongous files. Since then, I've used notepad2 for quick editing. And even for coding. Really loved notepad2. It could only edit one file at a time but that was part of its charm. I would have multiple notepad2 files open while coding. Back in the DOS days I used Brief, Multi-Edit (syntax highlighting!!) and the Borland SideKick TSR notepad, remember that? Nowadays on Linux, I code and write everything on Vim. Can't live without it. Cured my carpal tunnel too because I don't have to move my fingers to use the arrow keys or mouse.
sigzero 5y ago
I have UltraEdit. It's okay. The wordfiles are woefully anemic to define languages. The snippet system as well. It really needs a revamp. Also, the MacOS version IS different from the Windows version. ST is the same on both platforms and that is important to me.
rajandatta 5y ago
Same here! Made the journey from QEdit to Vim to UltraEdit to Notepad++. These days I'm dabbling in Emacs and Notepad++. Emacs for Org-mode - arguably the most revelatory single piece of software I've seen in 40 years of working with Software. Notepad++ is a safety crutch that I haven't let go. Visual Code is OK. Not exciting though lots of respect for it. UtlraEdit's smoothness, speed and polish are highly commendable. Just don't have the need to spend on the annual licensing for it.

choicenotchance 5y ago

Never heard of UltraEdit in 10yrs of my career, or came across it when searching for editors and IDEs.

frou_dh 5y ago
Just wait until 2030+ and then you may be the metaphorical boomer sticking with software no one else has heard of!
- copperx 5y ago
  I mean, Emacs is a bit like that. Newer text editors and Vim captured all of the younger generation. I haven't met anyone using Emacs as their daily driver, except professors.
kwanbix 5y ago
That is what I wonder, UltraEdit is really nice. I have no relation to them by the way, latest version that I own is 26 something. While the latest release is 28 something. Maybe it is because 28 years ago, when it first released, internet was just starting. Sublime is "only" 13 years old, so internet was already very much mainstream. But it is really good. Very fast. I love the column mode. If I search for UltraEdit in HN, the latest post if from 10 years ago, when they announced the Mac version: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2019148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2019148 Crazy.
- rattray 5y ago
  That's incredible. From the website it looks like a Windows-oriented tool. If it weren't for your product I wouldn't have even guessed they had a Mac version. I bet they'd do much better with adoption if they customized their homepage screenshots to the platform viewing the page… For others curious about Column Mode, here's their link with a nice video: https://www.ultraedit.com/support/tutorials-power-tips/ultraedit/column-mode.html https://www.ultraedit.com/support/tutorials-power-tips/ultra... Apparently in VS Code you can do similar things: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/editor/codebasics#_column-box-selection https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/editor/codebasics#_column... 1. Hold ⇧⌥ and drag for box select. 2. Press ⇧⌥⌘↓ for "column select down" 3. Run "Toggle column selection mode" and ⇧↓. (Still looks like UltraEdit has some very powerful features for manipulating text in columns, like aligning whitespace). TIL. Looks great!
  - kwanbix 5y ago
    It could be because they started as a Windows only product, then they produced a Linux version, and finally the Mac version. I have only used the Windows/Linux versions. By the way, with one license you can use all 3 platforms. I actually use the Portable Windows version, for when the company I work for won't allow me to install software :)
    - erwincoumans 5y ago
      Indeed, I purchased a perpetual Ultraedit license for Windows, Mac and Linux many years ago. I like the hex editing, huge file support, column editing.
  - bradstewart 5y ago
    In VSCode you can also middle-click (the scroll wheel on a mouse) and drag to do column select.
    - kwanbix 5y ago
      But what I lick of UE is that you can do everything with your keyboard, no need to use the mouse.
free652 5y ago
I used ultraedit like 15 years ago, but switched to notepad++. I think due to performance problems. I don't like sublime3, too much tinkering via a command line.
- kwanbix 5y ago
  Yeah, notepad++. I also tried it. The price was better (free), but it lacked column mode, "reformat paragraph" (it basically takes separate lines and makes it into a paragraph), and trim trailing spaces, at least when I tested it, which I used a lot.
  - ableal 5y ago
    Column mode and trim spaces have existed in notepad++ for years, but may be a bit hard to find. I just checked, and that may have improved: both are on the Edit menu, bottom half.
    - kwanbix 5y ago
      Yes, I couldn't find at the time how to use them. I am talking again probable 15 or 20 years ago, so it might have been version 0.1 of N++.
quickthrower2 5y ago
I remember using it in 1999 it was outstanding compared to what else was available on windows and I’m not a vim/emacs kinda person. Might give it another try
thebrain 5y ago
You've probably never needed to work with really large files or edit/examine a fie in HEX, it really shines for these use cases. It's not really an IDE and I've never used it to write code.
ok123456 5y ago
UltraEdit was the best editor for Windows in the late 90s early 2000s. I remember asking my boss for it. The niche it filled was surpassed by Notepad++ and other free tools.

fouc 5y ago

I think a lot of developers on macosx were using Textmate before they switched to Sublime Text

nobleach 5y ago
Yup, this was my exact experience. In Windows land, I used whatever IDE was built for whatever language I was using (Turbo Pascal, Visual Basic, Visual C++, Visual FoxPro, Borland Delphi) When I started doing web, it was all Notepad++ and BBEdit, Dreamweaver. Then I found Textmate. It was so perfect. Having no Windows version was so upsetting. When Sublime showed up, I was so happy. I had always used Vim in my IT career though, so once I started learning how to make that work for more than editing config files, that became my daily driver.

globular-toast 5y ago

UltraEdit is probably the best text editor there is. Not the best IDE or anything, just the best text editor. It seems thoroughly underappreciated, though, for some reason. It's the only editor I'm aware of that can do do disk-based editing, that is you can open a file of multiple gigabytes quickly and edit it because it doesn't load the whole file into RAM.

rjzzleep 5y ago
Another underappreciated editor is visual slickedit[1] It will happily allow you to edit TB large files [1] https://www.slickedit.com/ https://www.slickedit.com/
- rstupek 5y ago
  I've used slickedit for at least 20 years on windows. It's definitely a good editor as well
quickthrower2 5y ago
That’s pretty cool. I use vim for this particular need and it’s quick to search through big files too
- istjohn 5y ago
  Really? I've found Vim slows to a crawl on multi-GB files. Maybe that's changed recently or it was down to the plug-ins I was using?
  - ok123456 5y ago
    It's probably from creating a backup copy. Compare performance when invoking 'view' instead of 'vim'. It could be from your plugins if they're doing something goofy.
  - quickthrower2 5y ago
    I use vim out of the box with no plugins and on windows. Not sure if that makes a difference. I’m also typically not editing the file but searching logs.

JaggerJo 5y ago

> I wonder why UltraEdit has not much love here. Just from looking at the screenshots on their site I wouldn't install it (because of it's ugly UI).

kwanbix 5y ago
The UI is pretty configurable. You can use Menus, Menus with toolbars, or Menus with Ribbon. I use it only with menus.
Al-Khwarizmi 5y ago
First thing I do when installing it is to turn off the ribbon and set it to the good old menu-based UI. Which of course, might be "ugly" for you as well.

biztos 5y ago

I used UltraEdit a million years ago and I think it’s just a matter of familiarity. I remember being unable to go back to BBEdit when I switched back to Mac from Windows, I was so tuned in to UE’s power features. When I tried Sublime 2 I wanted to like it but it just felt weird, so I went back to… TextMate, which probably feels weird to other (especially younger) people. But I’d been using TextMate forever and had a lot of things integrated with my shell so that was my “normal.” I’ll give Sublime another try though: I want their business model to work, I love that they’re cross platform, and the plug-in API looks pretty nice now that I’ve done a bunch of Python work.

twh270 5y ago

QEdit on DOS... now that brings back some memories! I went in for their flagship TSE (The Semware Editor) when it came out and was duly impressed. I have used Notepad++ as my regular non-IDE editor for probably 15 years; there are a handful of (semi-)unique features that I really appreciate. I'm guessing UltraEdit keeps its user base for similar reasons.

mrspuratic 5y ago
A long time ago... used it a lot in 80x50 line text mode, lightening fast, good macro and configuration options (ISTR a separate tool to "reconfigure" the main binary). Had many of the same default bindings as the Borland IDEs, handy since the TurboC IDE used to run out of steam around 1000 loc or so, that's when I learned Makefiles. Never took to TSE, sequence of bad experiences with stability.

pkphilip 5y ago

Then there is SlickEdit which has been around for decades as well. I wonder how they are able to continue to be in business with all of the editors such as Visual Studio Code being available for free. https://www.slickedit.com/ https://www.slickedit.com/

paulryanrogers 5y ago
Good question. I tried it for an embedded project and it didn't strike me as anything special. It could also be there are some great features hiding there that polyglots will never have the time to explore.
GiorgioG 5y ago
I still have my original SlickEdit installation CD from long long ago. As far as how they can continue to be in business, easy - corporate maintenance licenses...

BunsanSpace 5y ago

my work makes us use UltraEdit (custom langauge) and frankly I hated it so much I wrote a custom language plugin for sublime my self so I could switch back. UltraEdit just feels like it's stuck 10 years in the past.

kwanbix 5y ago
In what way? I have used Sublime2 and 3, which might feel faster, VS Editor (I think is the name), much heavier, and Atom I think is the other. Never felt "wow, this is the future".
- BunsanSpace 5y ago
  UltraEdit is clunky, the UI is very dated and the fonts are not well rendered. It's not fast and has a large lack of theme support (there's no solarized theme for it, which is industry standard at this point). I just didn't like it and would rather use a more modern editor, e.g. sublime. Only took a day or two to write the required plugins to get our language support for it.
  - kwanbix 5y ago
    I cannot disagree more with all that omyou said. The UI can be whatever you want. It has themes, and I understand you can create your own. I don't see how sublime is more modern. For me are very similar.

Al-Khwarizmi 5y ago

Another long-time UltraEdit user here. I love it in general, but in particular there's one feature that I can't do without: column mode. I don't understand why other editors haven't copied it (at least to my knowledge. If you know any other that has it, I'd like to know). For those of us that often work with CSV-like formats, it's a real time saver. It's also better behaved for huge files than any other editor I've tried.

slim 5y ago
What is column mode?
- hunter2_ 5y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27232874 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27232874
LegionMammal978 5y ago
I've been using ST3 for the past few years, and I have a go-to keyboard sequence for a column mode equivalent: Select the entire block, press Ctrl+Shift+L to split the selection into individual lines, press Home to create a cursor at the start of each line, and use the right arrow to navigate the cursor to the desired column. (You can also edit the end of each line by pressing End, move by entire words with Ctrl+Left or Right, and so on.)
gavinray 5y ago
VS Code has column mode
adrian_b 5y ago
Column-mode in editors comes from ancient history. The BRIEF editor for MS-DOS, intended to be a "Programmer's Editor", some time before 1990, already included column mode and many other features that few editors have today.
ybbond 5y ago
FWIW Sublime Text do have "multi cursor editing" mode that can do some basic column mode editing. Add to that vi keybindings to ST, and you can get better and faster "column mode-like" editing.

calvin_ 5y ago

Windows based editors are a dying breed. The Unix and web-based editors have sucked the oxygen out of the room.

robdelacruz 5y ago

Back then I loved UltraEdit. It was the fastest editor at the time and could open even the most humongous files. Since then, I've used notepad2 for quick editing. And even for coding. Really loved notepad2. It could only edit one file at a time but that was part of its charm. I would have multiple notepad2 files open while coding. Back in the DOS days I used Brief, Multi-Edit (syntax highlighting!!) and the Borland SideKick TSR notepad, remember that? Nowadays on Linux, I code and write everything on Vim. Can't live without it. Cured my carpal tunnel too because I don't have to move my fingers to use the arrow keys or mouse.

sigzero 5y ago

I have UltraEdit. It's okay. The wordfiles are woefully anemic to define languages. The snippet system as well. It really needs a revamp. Also, the MacOS version IS different from the Windows version. ST is the same on both platforms and that is important to me.

rajandatta 5y ago

Same here! Made the journey from QEdit to Vim to UltraEdit to Notepad++. These days I'm dabbling in Emacs and Notepad++. Emacs for Org-mode - arguably the most revelatory single piece of software I've seen in 40 years of working with Software. Notepad++ is a safety crutch that I haven't let go. Visual Code is OK. Not exciting though lots of respect for it. UtlraEdit's smoothness, speed and polish are highly commendable. Just don't have the need to spend on the annual licensing for it.