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Anything less than a 500 mile range makes this a nonstarter compared to ICE models. Although from what I've read elsewhere they are putting nearly a ton (1800 p

Anything less than a 500 mile range makes this a nonstarter compared to ICE models. Although from what I've read elsewhere they are putting nearly a ton (1800 pounds) of batteries in the thing. There are people who use trucks as commuters, but there are also people that are on the road or out in the puckerbrush actually working out of them. Charging infrastructure is not good, and not likely to get better overnight. I think it would make a lot more sense to build a hybrid diesel to fit in this niche. Particularly if it had enough excess output to run some jobsite equipment. If you don't need to buy a Lincoln generator to run compressors or welders, that would be a tradeoff that would be beneficial.

canadianfella 5y ago
> 500 mile range makes this a nonstarter compared to ICE models Why?
brianwawok 5y ago
Have a 300 mile range EV. Drive it all over the country. Tesla will sell a million of these things in the next year. We must have missed then 500 mile requirement.
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- kasey_junk 5y ago
  More interesting in the context of an f150 are fleet vehicles that never see anywhere near that requirement before parking for the night. Fleet sales are going to be the dominant variable for this truck.
SigmundA 5y ago
Diesel already increases cost and weight over gas and are pretty efficient which is why you don't see any hybrids. Electric motors don't compliment diesel like they do gas which can go Atkinson cycle allowing the gas motor to get diesel like efficiency while making up the loss in torque with electric.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
Statistically nobody is buying a Lightening (or Raptor, or anything similiar) as a work truck.
- URSpider94 5y ago
  Lightning is their new EV branding for the F-150. These trucks will come in everything from low-end fleet trim to $90k Lariat versions. With the equivalent of a generator under the hood that can run a construction site worth of tools for the workday, I think there are a lot of people who will buy this for work.
browningstreet 5y ago
The number of Bay Area based Teslas all over Tahoe these days would give credence to a lower sweet spot for travel range.
intrepidhero 5y ago
I love the idea of a hybrid with diesel generator for when I'm out in the bush. But I also want to note I've never owned an ICE vehicle that could go 500 miles on a tank.
- perl4ever 5y ago
  There's a tension between maximum capacity and average needs. People average around 40 miles a day. Cruising at 60 mph is said to take about 20 hp. But if you can't fill up and sometimes need to drive all day, you want a 500 mile capacity. And if you sometimes need maximum acceleration, or tow or go up hills, you want 300 hp or whatever. The aversion to hybrids by people who think they are just a stepping stone to full electric is illogical in my opinion and will eventually have to change. Because it's the most efficient way to plan for the average and the unusual maximum.
stetrain 5y ago
Their hybrid models already outputs 7.2kw at 240v for jobsite usage, and the EV model can do up to 9.6kw. I do think hybrids still have a place (and ford just introduced one). At some point it will flip where the hybrids are the EV base plus a gas/diesel/cng/hydrogen generator for people who do those thousand-mile cross country towing trips.

canadianfella 5y ago

> 500 mile range makes this a nonstarter compared to ICE models Why?

brianwawok 5y ago

Have a 300 mile range EV. Drive it all over the country. Tesla will sell a million of these things in the next year. We must have missed then 500 mile requirement.

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kasey_junk 5y ago
More interesting in the context of an f150 are fleet vehicles that never see anywhere near that requirement before parking for the night. Fleet sales are going to be the dominant variable for this truck.

SigmundA 5y ago

Diesel already increases cost and weight over gas and are pretty efficient which is why you don't see any hybrids. Electric motors don't compliment diesel like they do gas which can go Atkinson cycle allowing the gas motor to get diesel like efficiency while making up the loss in torque with electric.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

Statistically nobody is buying a Lightening (or Raptor, or anything similiar) as a work truck.

URSpider94 5y ago
Lightning is their new EV branding for the F-150. These trucks will come in everything from low-end fleet trim to $90k Lariat versions. With the equivalent of a generator under the hood that can run a construction site worth of tools for the workday, I think there are a lot of people who will buy this for work.

browningstreet 5y ago

The number of Bay Area based Teslas all over Tahoe these days would give credence to a lower sweet spot for travel range.

intrepidhero 5y ago

I love the idea of a hybrid with diesel generator for when I'm out in the bush. But I also want to note I've never owned an ICE vehicle that could go 500 miles on a tank.

perl4ever 5y ago
There's a tension between maximum capacity and average needs. People average around 40 miles a day. Cruising at 60 mph is said to take about 20 hp. But if you can't fill up and sometimes need to drive all day, you want a 500 mile capacity. And if you sometimes need maximum acceleration, or tow or go up hills, you want 300 hp or whatever. The aversion to hybrids by people who think they are just a stepping stone to full electric is illogical in my opinion and will eventually have to change. Because it's the most efficient way to plan for the average and the unusual maximum.

stetrain 5y ago

Their hybrid models already outputs 7.2kw at 240v for jobsite usage, and the EV model can do up to 9.6kw. I do think hybrids still have a place (and ford just introduced one). At some point it will flip where the hybrids are the EV base plus a gas/diesel/cng/hydrogen generator for people who do those thousand-mile cross country towing trips.