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As far as I know they aren’t retroactively crippling GPUs. A vendor is well within their rights to artificially limit hardware to create market segmentation. T

by tw04 5y ago

As far as I know they aren’t retroactively crippling GPUs. A vendor is well within their rights to artificially limit hardware to create market segmentation. That’s just a fact of doing business. I don’t see anything wrong with it. Want to mine? Buy a mining card or a piece of hardware from some other vendor.

gruez 5y ago
How does this tie in with other popular initiatives, ie. right to repair? "A vendor is well within their rights to artificially limit repairs to increase margins. That’s just a fact of doing business. I don’t see anything wrong with it. Want a repairable phone? Buy it from some other vendor."
- mannykannot 5y ago
  You want a right to repair things you have rented?
  - gruez 5y ago
    My initial comment[1] was supposed to point out that it's not limited to rentals, contrary to what OP says. The rest of the thread is talking about your rights when you purchased something. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27213202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27213202
    - mannykannot 5y ago
      To this outside observer, the discussion between you and tw04 appears to consist mainly of you trying to change the subject away from tw04's trenchant comment, through the introduction of increasingly distant irrelevancies. What does right of repair have to do with Hetzner's new policies?
      - gruez 5y ago
        Because it's a slippery slope in terms of user freedom. The comment I was replying to basically says "well that's what you get for renting, if you want the freedom to do what you want buy your hardware", which is starting to become false. The right to repair is a follow up to that: if you can't do what you want when you rent, and can't do what you when you buy, where does this leave other user freedom initiatives?
        mannykannot 5y ago
        > if you can't do what you want when you rent, and can't do what you when you buy, where does this leave other user freedom initiatives? Right where they were, given the rather significant difference between owning and renting.
- tw04 5y ago
  In one instance we have society’s collective desire to reduce waste by allowing people access to fix their goods. In another, you want government to tell a vendor what product they have to sell because you personally don’t like their product selections. Furthermore the thing you want them to support is horrible for the environment. That’s apples and pine trees. And completely off topic.
  - gruez 5y ago
    >In one instance we have society’s collective desire to reduce waste by allowing people access to fix their goods. So you'd oppose right-to-repair if manufacturers are willing to carry out the repairs themselves, presumably negating the environmental/waste benefits? >And completely off topic. That's the beauty of comment trees. If it becomes too off topic for you, you can collapse it.
phonebanshee 5y ago
Want to drive your car? The car vendor is well within their rights to eliminate your ability to drive in certain areas. That's just market segmentation.
- fuzzylightbulb 5y ago
  You might be shocked to find out that speed limiters in cars are a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limiter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limiter
- Crosseye_Jack 5y ago
  If there were just 2 car manufacturers (which there is in the GPU space) I would agree with your counter argument. But there are plently out there. If Ford said you couldn't drive your car in the snow and labeled their cars as such at point of purchase well then you are free to by GM, Toyota, Tesla, Mazda, Kia, Honda, Subaru, etc etc etc etc.
- gamblor956 5y ago
  Many rental car companies actually do restrict where you can drive your car, for example, by forbidding off-roading, or from taking the car over state or country borders. Most restrict rental cars from being used for commercial purposes (meaning in this context, food deliveries or rideshare services). If you want to treat your car however you like, you can buy a car and abuse it to your heart's content.
  - somebodythere 5y ago
    When I buy a GPU from a retailer, it is a rental GPU?
- peterbonney 5y ago
  Wait until you find out what happens to your warranty if you take your car to the track…
- sidewndr46 5y ago
  You've got the analogy wrong. It's more like: Want to drive your car to deliver pizza? That's market segmentation.

by tw04 5y ago

gruez 5y ago

How does this tie in with other popular initiatives, ie. right to repair? "A vendor is well within their rights to artificially limit repairs to increase margins. That’s just a fact of doing business. I don’t see anything wrong with it. Want a repairable phone? Buy it from some other vendor."

mannykannot 5y ago
You want a right to repair things you have rented?
- gruez 5y ago
  My initial comment[1] was supposed to point out that it's not limited to rentals, contrary to what OP says. The rest of the thread is talking about your rights when you purchased something. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27213202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27213202
  - mannykannot 5y ago
    To this outside observer, the discussion between you and tw04 appears to consist mainly of you trying to change the subject away from tw04's trenchant comment, through the introduction of increasingly distant irrelevancies. What does right of repair have to do with Hetzner's new policies?
    - gruez 5y ago
      Because it's a slippery slope in terms of user freedom. The comment I was replying to basically says "well that's what you get for renting, if you want the freedom to do what you want buy your hardware", which is starting to become false. The right to repair is a follow up to that: if you can't do what you want when you rent, and can't do what you when you buy, where does this leave other user freedom initiatives?
      - mannykannot 5y ago
        > if you can't do what you want when you rent, and can't do what you when you buy, where does this leave other user freedom initiatives? Right where they were, given the rather significant difference between owning and renting.
tw04 5y ago
In one instance we have society’s collective desire to reduce waste by allowing people access to fix their goods. In another, you want government to tell a vendor what product they have to sell because you personally don’t like their product selections. Furthermore the thing you want them to support is horrible for the environment. That’s apples and pine trees. And completely off topic.
- gruez 5y ago
  >In one instance we have society’s collective desire to reduce waste by allowing people access to fix their goods. So you'd oppose right-to-repair if manufacturers are willing to carry out the repairs themselves, presumably negating the environmental/waste benefits? >And completely off topic. That's the beauty of comment trees. If it becomes too off topic for you, you can collapse it.

phonebanshee 5y ago

Want to drive your car? The car vendor is well within their rights to eliminate your ability to drive in certain areas. That's just market segmentation.

fuzzylightbulb 5y ago
You might be shocked to find out that speed limiters in cars are a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limiter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limiter
Crosseye_Jack 5y ago
If there were just 2 car manufacturers (which there is in the GPU space) I would agree with your counter argument. But there are plently out there. If Ford said you couldn't drive your car in the snow and labeled their cars as such at point of purchase well then you are free to by GM, Toyota, Tesla, Mazda, Kia, Honda, Subaru, etc etc etc etc.
gamblor956 5y ago
Many rental car companies actually do restrict where you can drive your car, for example, by forbidding off-roading, or from taking the car over state or country borders. Most restrict rental cars from being used for commercial purposes (meaning in this context, food deliveries or rideshare services). If you want to treat your car however you like, you can buy a car and abuse it to your heart's content.
- somebodythere 5y ago
  When I buy a GPU from a retailer, it is a rental GPU?
peterbonney 5y ago
Wait until you find out what happens to your warranty if you take your car to the track…
sidewndr46 5y ago
You've got the analogy wrong. It's more like: Want to drive your car to deliver pizza? That's market segmentation.