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The hardware, software and protocols are written by humans so they are definitely part of the problem! Massive fines sounds like an easy win but it doesn't wor

The hardware, software and protocols are written by humans so they are definitely part of the problem! Massive fines sounds like an easy win but it doesn't work in practice in the sae way that massive fines don't stop corporate polluters, don't stop medical negligence and don't stop crime in general. Are they useful? Only where it is clear where the responsbility lays. Take the VW emmissions scandal as an equivalent issue imho. Who gets a fine? VW? That isn't really fair if the decision was taken by an employee. The employees? They can't afford to pay a fine. All this would do is make it harder for disruptive startups who can't afford the potential fines. Sadly, I think like most things, it will take a whole raft of things including educating people, punishing people and companies, regulating who is allowed to produce and sign-off systems, have mandatory MOTs for software so they can't be left to languish and even potentially creating seprate WWWs for those who follow the rules and the general public can trust vs those who believe in complete liberty to do whatever they want and who cannot be exposed to the general public who won't understand the risks they are exposing themselves to.

nix23 5y ago
>The hardware, software and protocols are written by humans so they are definitely part of the problem! like Plane-crashes technically it's always human error >Take the VW emmissions scandal as an equivalent issue imho. That isn't really fair if the decision was taken by an employee That's a bad example, they got massive fines in the US, not so in germany (for obvious reasons), and yes it was for sure the engineer who took that decision and for sure not the management ;) A example for responsible storage of such data would be: If you want to store my highly private data (health records), you have to use a terminal to a government mainframe...you are not allowed to export, process or store it anywhere else.
raxxorrax 5y ago
> have mandatory MOTs for software What does MOTs mean? To be honest, I want in the net for special people that cannot be exposed to the general public.
- michaelt 5y ago
  MOT = Annual roadworthyness inspection. Presumably lbriner hopes the inspectors would fix IoT camera botnets rather than, say, demanding you install McAfee antivirus.
gruez 5y ago
>Take the VW emmissions scandal as an equivalent issue imho. Who gets a fine? VW? That isn't really fair if the decision was taken by an employee. Nope, tho company is liable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_liability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_liability

nix23 5y ago

>The hardware, software and protocols are written by humans so they are definitely part of the problem! like Plane-crashes technically it's always human error >Take the VW emmissions scandal as an equivalent issue imho. That isn't really fair if the decision was taken by an employee That's a bad example, they got massive fines in the US, not so in germany (for obvious reasons), and yes it was for sure the engineer who took that decision and for sure not the management ;) A example for responsible storage of such data would be: If you want to store my highly private data (health records), you have to use a terminal to a government mainframe...you are not allowed to export, process or store it anywhere else.

raxxorrax 5y ago

> have mandatory MOTs for software What does MOTs mean? To be honest, I want in the net for special people that cannot be exposed to the general public.

michaelt 5y ago
MOT = Annual roadworthyness inspection. Presumably lbriner hopes the inspectors would fix IoT camera botnets rather than, say, demanding you install McAfee antivirus.

gruez 5y ago

>Take the VW emmissions scandal as an equivalent issue imho. Who gets a fine? VW? That isn't really fair if the decision was taken by an employee. Nope, tho company is liable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_liability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_liability