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No, I don't believe and have never promoted that the election was stolen. Paper ballots - as noted by Krebs - are a great audit trail. I believe DHS Cybersecur

No, I don't believe and have never promoted that the election was stolen. Paper ballots - as noted by Krebs - are a great audit trail. I believe DHS Cybersecurity didn't know - and still doesn't know - the depth and severity of what's going on or even how to get a handle on it as evidenced by the last year+. Therefore, when that agency makes a claim, we should be skeptical until there's evidence otherwise.

tw04 5y ago
>Therefore, when that agency makes a claim, we should be skeptical until there's evidence otherwise. "I'm not saying the election was stolen, I'm saying we should investigate whether it was stolen" is a tired and repeated talking point. This has been investigated exhaustively and in every instance the system worked exactly as it was supposed to. Continuing to cast doubt without a shred of evidence quickly ventures into the grounds of morally questionable behavior. You also have failed to provide any quote from Krebs to backup the original claim. If you want people to assume you're acting in good faith, this isn't the way to go about it.
- EricE 5y ago
  > This has been investigated exhaustively and in every instance the system worked exactly as it was supposed to. It has? The vast majority of court cases were thrown out on procedural issues, not basis of fact. If there was nothing to see, there wouldn't be near the fireworks over the audit in Arizona as is currently happening :p
  - tw04 5y ago
    >It has? The vast majority of court cases were thrown out on procedural issues, not basis of fact. If by "procedural issue" you mean a complete lack of evidence, I suppose? https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/rudy-giulianis-disgraceful-courtroom-rant-about-voter-fraud-didnt-resemble-trump-lawsuit/ https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/rudy-giulianis-disgrac... >If there was nothing to see, there wouldn't be near the fireworks over the audit in Arizona as is currently happening :p There are fireworks in Arizona because of the way the recount is occurring with massive gaps in normal procedure. All of the things we have learned over the years and put in place to ensure there is no fraud, are being completely ignored for the recount. In other words: the recount is introducing gaps that would allow fraud to occur that never existed during the actual election. If you wanted to be assured that the original tally was correct, this is literally the exact opposite of what you're asking for. >One of the biggest red flags for her, she told me, came not during the counting, but afterwards, when workers entered the aggregated total tallies from counts into computers. Morrell was deeply worried that there was only a single person responsible for entering the data and no one to check that they weren’t inadvertently entering a wrong number or accidentally switching the candidates. >“There’s nobody verifying that what they entered was correct. There’s no reading out. These are things that you would typically see in an election office whether they were doing an audit, recount, where you want some sort of quality control mechanism in place,” she said. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/13/arizona-audit-recount-votes https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/13/arizona-audi...

tw04 5y ago

>Therefore, when that agency makes a claim, we should be skeptical until there's evidence otherwise. "I'm not saying the election was stolen, I'm saying we should investigate whether it was stolen" is a tired and repeated talking point. This has been investigated exhaustively and in every instance the system worked exactly as it was supposed to. Continuing to cast doubt without a shred of evidence quickly ventures into the grounds of morally questionable behavior. You also have failed to provide any quote from Krebs to backup the original claim. If you want people to assume you're acting in good faith, this isn't the way to go about it.

EricE 5y ago
> This has been investigated exhaustively and in every instance the system worked exactly as it was supposed to. It has? The vast majority of court cases were thrown out on procedural issues, not basis of fact. If there was nothing to see, there wouldn't be near the fireworks over the audit in Arizona as is currently happening :p
- tw04 5y ago
  >It has? The vast majority of court cases were thrown out on procedural issues, not basis of fact. If by "procedural issue" you mean a complete lack of evidence, I suppose? https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/rudy-giulianis-disgraceful-courtroom-rant-about-voter-fraud-didnt-resemble-trump-lawsuit/ https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/rudy-giulianis-disgrac... >If there was nothing to see, there wouldn't be near the fireworks over the audit in Arizona as is currently happening :p There are fireworks in Arizona because of the way the recount is occurring with massive gaps in normal procedure. All of the things we have learned over the years and put in place to ensure there is no fraud, are being completely ignored for the recount. In other words: the recount is introducing gaps that would allow fraud to occur that never existed during the actual election. If you wanted to be assured that the original tally was correct, this is literally the exact opposite of what you're asking for. >One of the biggest red flags for her, she told me, came not during the counting, but afterwards, when workers entered the aggregated total tallies from counts into computers. Morrell was deeply worried that there was only a single person responsible for entering the data and no one to check that they weren’t inadvertently entering a wrong number or accidentally switching the candidates. >“There’s nobody verifying that what they entered was correct. There’s no reading out. These are things that you would typically see in an election office whether they were doing an audit, recount, where you want some sort of quality control mechanism in place,” she said. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/13/arizona-audit-recount-votes https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/13/arizona-audi...