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> Schools have banned the snack altogether over concerns about its popularity with children. This is the most disturbing thing reported in the article. Who car

> Schools have banned the snack altogether over concerns about its popularity with children. This is the most disturbing thing reported in the article. Who cares who invented a one more type of over-processed shit? What we should care about is that it's marketed to kids. Or to anyone. The message plastered everywhere should be: don't eat that shit. It's bad for you. Oh and the article above is just so much white-washed corporate propaganda and advertisement. An entire article about who invented a product and not one warning about the product's unhealthiness.

asdff 5y ago
It is plastered on the bag under "Nutrition Facts." Whether you choose to eat nothing but flaming hot cheetos and die of painful gastroinstestinal related problems, or live an otherwise healthy life but eat cheetos occasionally is entirely up to you in this country. We don't need more handholding and coddling imo.
- cheese_goddess 5y ago
  Which country is "this"? And do you also mind advertisement that's constantly trying to tell you what to eat? Or is it only the "handhonlding" that tells you how to not eat yourself to an early grave that's bothers you? > It is plastered on the bag under "Nutrition Facts." I don't have a bag handy, but I'm looking up nutrition facts online, and I can't see anything about the product being unhealthy ultra-processed shit: https://www.cheetos.com/products/cheetos-crunchy-flamin-hot-cheese-flavored-snacks https://www.cheetos.com/products/cheetos-crunchy-flamin-hot-... What I can see is a list of ingredients: > Enriched Corn Meal (Corn Meal, Ferrous Sulfate, Niacin, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Vegetable Oil (Corn, Canola, and/or Sunflower Oil), Flamin' Hot Seasoning (Maltodextrin [Made from Corn], Salt, Sugar, Monosodium Glutamate, Yeast Extract, Citric Acid, Artificial Color [Red 40 Lake, Yellow 6 Lake, Yellow 6, Yellow 5], Sunflower Oil, Cheddar Cheese [Milk, Cheese Cultures, Salt, Enzymes], Onion Powder, Whey, Whey Protein Concentrate, Garlic Powder, Natural Flavor, Buttermilk, Sodium Diacetate, Disodium Inosinate, Disodium Guanylate), and Salt. CONTAINS MILK INGREDIENTS. Looks nutritious!
  - ChickeNES 5y ago
    I see a lot of pretty standard ingredients here, what's your problem with them?
    - BenjiWiebe 5y ago
      Nothing. It's refuting the GGP (?) who said they were ultra processed unhealthy junk.
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    - cheese_goddess 5y ago
      Just to skip over the pedantic wrangling over semantics here, can you tell me whether you think that Flamin' Hot Cheetos are a healthy snack? Because I think they're not and that's my main point. You tell me if you disagree with that and then I can tell you why I think that ingredients list is unhealthy.
Jach 5y ago
The implication isn't that it was banned because of health concerns, but because of its distracting popularity. (Like Pokemon cards or yo-yos.) The article reiterates this further down, though also links to a 2012 article where a few elementary schools in the LA area banned them due to high fat/sodium/calories, like other candy or junk food. https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/10/flamin-hot-cheetos-banned-pasadena-schools.html https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/10/flamin-hot-ch... You'll also note in that article that Frito-Lay doesn't market to kids 12 and under or sell directly to schools. (I doubt that's changed in 9 years.) The colloquial name for junk food is junk food, I think people are well enough aware that it's bad for you. So what concerns do you have left?
- cheese_goddess 5y ago
  That it's junk food that's aimed straight at children. Why does it make it any better if it's not marketed to kids under 12? Is it more healthy to eat shit when you're over 12? Can I ask back? My concern is that junk food is junk food. What is your concern with me pointing it out? Am I really causing such irreparable damage by pointing out that it's shit and people shouldn't eat it? And is the damage I cause by pointing out it's shit more than the damage that's caused for example by advertising this shit to kids over 12? What is your concern, exactly, with my comment, can you explain?
  - Jach 5y ago
    > What is your concern ...? Free time to waste and a reaction to what I perceived as a weird moralizing tangent to a throwaway line only aimed at building social proof of importance for the article's main content about correcting the details of a rags-to-riches tale. (You're probably right it should just be written off as a submarine, though I'm happy for the correction since even the corrected tale provides an example in favor of one of Deming's principles, and it's better for examples to be as factual as possible.) I also was curious that if I mentioned that the marketing to kids angle isn't there and that people are already well aware of what junk food is, would you still be so disturbed? And I do think you're erroneous in jumping from something being popular with kids to something being marketed to (or even "aimed straight at") kids, though in the process of typing up an even longer comment I realized this isn't entirely fair because one generally expects companies to market to their big consumers. Are kids big consumers? Probably or else the snack wouldn't be popular enough to cause a ruckus, but after a minute's search I didn't find any demographic data addressing more than just adults so beyond the company statement I'm only left with intuition. (FWIW after looking at demographic data I saw a surprising blurb that "America’s Favorite Snack for the Third Year in a Row Is Flamin’ Hot Cheetos". My intuition suggests this is best explained by being most popular with adults, for themselves, rather than kids or teens.) But maybe you'll find a commercial or something to show me that I'm wrong and it definitely is aimed at them, particularly any time recently. > Why does it make it any better if it's not marketed to kids under 12? I'm not sure you're even asking this seriously. For an imperfect analogy I would suggest without getting into much reasoning that it's better that society restricts cigarette companies from marketing to kids but lets them continue marketing to adults. If we got into it I think the general principle I'd be going for first would revolve around improved cognition as you age into adulthood, but I don't think it's much better or worse whether this particular junk snack isn't marketed to kids, in part from my own biases that include a fondness for 90s commercials and cartoons. > Is it more healthy to eat shit when you're over 12? Generally yes, though the correlation depends on the specific type of shit and often more on weight more so than age... Still, as you age beyond childhood, you tend to get heavier, and your body can tolerate more abuse from lots of kinds of things. > Am I really causing such irreparable damage by pointing out that it's shit and people shouldn't eat it? I don't think you're causing damage, I just think it was a weird comment with misplaced moralizing about the kids, and your followup makes me all the more curious whether it's ultimately just a complaint against junk food existing in general. Or is there something about this particular food that you think is egregiously unhealthy? So it's clear, I didn't like this particular flavor when I tried it perhaps 12 years ago, though I do enjoy regular cheetos from time to time (especially when I worked in an office and they were free); I would never mistake them for healthy food, but 1) I think they taste good and 2) I don't think they're particularly unhealthy.

asdff 5y ago

It is plastered on the bag under "Nutrition Facts." Whether you choose to eat nothing but flaming hot cheetos and die of painful gastroinstestinal related problems, or live an otherwise healthy life but eat cheetos occasionally is entirely up to you in this country. We don't need more handholding and coddling imo.

cheese_goddess 5y ago
Which country is "this"? And do you also mind advertisement that's constantly trying to tell you what to eat? Or is it only the "handhonlding" that tells you how to not eat yourself to an early grave that's bothers you? > It is plastered on the bag under "Nutrition Facts." I don't have a bag handy, but I'm looking up nutrition facts online, and I can't see anything about the product being unhealthy ultra-processed shit: https://www.cheetos.com/products/cheetos-crunchy-flamin-hot-cheese-flavored-snacks https://www.cheetos.com/products/cheetos-crunchy-flamin-hot-... What I can see is a list of ingredients: > Enriched Corn Meal (Corn Meal, Ferrous Sulfate, Niacin, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Vegetable Oil (Corn, Canola, and/or Sunflower Oil), Flamin' Hot Seasoning (Maltodextrin [Made from Corn], Salt, Sugar, Monosodium Glutamate, Yeast Extract, Citric Acid, Artificial Color [Red 40 Lake, Yellow 6 Lake, Yellow 6, Yellow 5], Sunflower Oil, Cheddar Cheese [Milk, Cheese Cultures, Salt, Enzymes], Onion Powder, Whey, Whey Protein Concentrate, Garlic Powder, Natural Flavor, Buttermilk, Sodium Diacetate, Disodium Inosinate, Disodium Guanylate), and Salt. CONTAINS MILK INGREDIENTS. Looks nutritious!
- ChickeNES 5y ago
  I see a lot of pretty standard ingredients here, what's your problem with them?
  - BenjiWiebe 5y ago
    Nothing. It's refuting the GGP (?) who said they were ultra processed unhealthy junk.
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  - cheese_goddess 5y ago
    Just to skip over the pedantic wrangling over semantics here, can you tell me whether you think that Flamin' Hot Cheetos are a healthy snack? Because I think they're not and that's my main point. You tell me if you disagree with that and then I can tell you why I think that ingredients list is unhealthy.

Jach 5y ago

The implication isn't that it was banned because of health concerns, but because of its distracting popularity. (Like Pokemon cards or yo-yos.) The article reiterates this further down, though also links to a 2012 article where a few elementary schools in the LA area banned them due to high fat/sodium/calories, like other candy or junk food. https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/10/flamin-hot-cheetos-banned-pasadena-schools.html https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/10/flamin-hot-ch... You'll also note in that article that Frito-Lay doesn't market to kids 12 and under or sell directly to schools. (I doubt that's changed in 9 years.) The colloquial name for junk food is junk food, I think people are well enough aware that it's bad for you. So what concerns do you have left?

cheese_goddess 5y ago
That it's junk food that's aimed straight at children. Why does it make it any better if it's not marketed to kids under 12? Is it more healthy to eat shit when you're over 12? Can I ask back? My concern is that junk food is junk food. What is your concern with me pointing it out? Am I really causing such irreparable damage by pointing out that it's shit and people shouldn't eat it? And is the damage I cause by pointing out it's shit more than the damage that's caused for example by advertising this shit to kids over 12? What is your concern, exactly, with my comment, can you explain?
- Jach 5y ago
  > What is your concern ...? Free time to waste and a reaction to what I perceived as a weird moralizing tangent to a throwaway line only aimed at building social proof of importance for the article's main content about correcting the details of a rags-to-riches tale. (You're probably right it should just be written off as a submarine, though I'm happy for the correction since even the corrected tale provides an example in favor of one of Deming's principles, and it's better for examples to be as factual as possible.) I also was curious that if I mentioned that the marketing to kids angle isn't there and that people are already well aware of what junk food is, would you still be so disturbed? And I do think you're erroneous in jumping from something being popular with kids to something being marketed to (or even "aimed straight at") kids, though in the process of typing up an even longer comment I realized this isn't entirely fair because one generally expects companies to market to their big consumers. Are kids big consumers? Probably or else the snack wouldn't be popular enough to cause a ruckus, but after a minute's search I didn't find any demographic data addressing more than just adults so beyond the company statement I'm only left with intuition. (FWIW after looking at demographic data I saw a surprising blurb that "America’s Favorite Snack for the Third Year in a Row Is Flamin’ Hot Cheetos". My intuition suggests this is best explained by being most popular with adults, for themselves, rather than kids or teens.) But maybe you'll find a commercial or something to show me that I'm wrong and it definitely is aimed at them, particularly any time recently. > Why does it make it any better if it's not marketed to kids under 12? I'm not sure you're even asking this seriously. For an imperfect analogy I would suggest without getting into much reasoning that it's better that society restricts cigarette companies from marketing to kids but lets them continue marketing to adults. If we got into it I think the general principle I'd be going for first would revolve around improved cognition as you age into adulthood, but I don't think it's much better or worse whether this particular junk snack isn't marketed to kids, in part from my own biases that include a fondness for 90s commercials and cartoons. > Is it more healthy to eat shit when you're over 12? Generally yes, though the correlation depends on the specific type of shit and often more on weight more so than age... Still, as you age beyond childhood, you tend to get heavier, and your body can tolerate more abuse from lots of kinds of things. > Am I really causing such irreparable damage by pointing out that it's shit and people shouldn't eat it? I don't think you're causing damage, I just think it was a weird comment with misplaced moralizing about the kids, and your followup makes me all the more curious whether it's ultimately just a complaint against junk food existing in general. Or is there something about this particular food that you think is egregiously unhealthy? So it's clear, I didn't like this particular flavor when I tried it perhaps 12 years ago, though I do enjoy regular cheetos from time to time (especially when I worked in an office and they were free); I would never mistake them for healthy food, but 1) I think they taste good and 2) I don't think they're particularly unhealthy.