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> The reality is that young women are more attractive to men, with youthful looks, an innocence and potentially more submissive. That's a really weird way to l

> The reality is that young women are more attractive to men, with youthful looks, an innocence and potentially more submissive. That's a really weird way to look at things. Especially the last claim. You're disregarding the whole biological angle. Male partners (whether consciously or instinctively) look for a healthy female to produce "the best" offspring possible. Males are biologically able to produce a healthy offspring for much longer than females. And considering menopause, there's an absolute deadline for producing any offspring.

watt 5y ago
Considering the overpopulation of earth, not sure why anyone would prioritize "producing offspring". Maybe someone driven by very base biological urges, sure. But if you just put some thought into it: why bring a child into world with rather grim, resource-constrained future?
- imtringued 5y ago
  Giving birth to exactly two children isn't going to destroy the planet.
- hyperdunc 5y ago
  If biological evolution in humans isn't displaced by radical technological change then this attitude will be selected against.
- the_lonely_road 5y ago
  Rough googling produces 89.6% of people become parents and it stands to reason that some of that remaining 11% would have wanted them but died first or were sterile. The numbers suggest the vast majority of people prioritize producing offspring for whatever reason. It’s likely 10,000 reasons not one. Social pressure, for the grandparents, because everyone else is, because I want to pas son my genes, because she/he was too hot to worry about protection that night, etc. The largest single issue with your comment though is that most of us probably don’t see the future as a grim resource constrained fact. Life over here in the West in 2020 is pretty good, historically speaking and in absolute terms. Even for the worst amongst us. We can backslide quite a bit and still be looking positivity towards our descendants expected quality of life. As for the developing world, in most of those places the quality of life has been a rocket ship during their lifespans so it would be rough for them to come that conclusion as well I would imagine. I understand climate change is scary and recognize it could be the end but when faced with existential dread like that some people lay down and curl up while most people stand up and push forward harder. There are 1,000 ways we all die but billions of possibilities so I personally choose to live in today and face just the 1 death that comes for us when it comes rather than all 1,000 possibilities every time some hack journalist wants to clickbait up their revenue that quarter.
  - rjsw 5y ago
    > Rough googling produces 89.6% of people become parents and it stands to reason that some of that remaining 11% would have wanted them but died first or were sterile. I'm guessing that those figures are for previous generations. In my extended familiy it is 37.5%, immediate family 0%.
watwut 5y ago
Are they really? Are real world males really optimizing for that? Cause it does not seem to me that way.

watt 5y ago

Considering the overpopulation of earth, not sure why anyone would prioritize "producing offspring". Maybe someone driven by very base biological urges, sure. But if you just put some thought into it: why bring a child into world with rather grim, resource-constrained future?

imtringued 5y ago
Giving birth to exactly two children isn't going to destroy the planet.
hyperdunc 5y ago
If biological evolution in humans isn't displaced by radical technological change then this attitude will be selected against.
the_lonely_road 5y ago
Rough googling produces 89.6% of people become parents and it stands to reason that some of that remaining 11% would have wanted them but died first or were sterile. The numbers suggest the vast majority of people prioritize producing offspring for whatever reason. It’s likely 10,000 reasons not one. Social pressure, for the grandparents, because everyone else is, because I want to pas son my genes, because she/he was too hot to worry about protection that night, etc. The largest single issue with your comment though is that most of us probably don’t see the future as a grim resource constrained fact. Life over here in the West in 2020 is pretty good, historically speaking and in absolute terms. Even for the worst amongst us. We can backslide quite a bit and still be looking positivity towards our descendants expected quality of life. As for the developing world, in most of those places the quality of life has been a rocket ship during their lifespans so it would be rough for them to come that conclusion as well I would imagine. I understand climate change is scary and recognize it could be the end but when faced with existential dread like that some people lay down and curl up while most people stand up and push forward harder. There are 1,000 ways we all die but billions of possibilities so I personally choose to live in today and face just the 1 death that comes for us when it comes rather than all 1,000 possibilities every time some hack journalist wants to clickbait up their revenue that quarter.
- rjsw 5y ago
  > Rough googling produces 89.6% of people become parents and it stands to reason that some of that remaining 11% would have wanted them but died first or were sterile. I'm guessing that those figures are for previous generations. In my extended familiy it is 37.5%, immediate family 0%.

watwut 5y ago

Are they really? Are real world males really optimizing for that? Cause it does not seem to me that way.