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The people who supported segregation mostly abandoned the Democratic Party decades ago because of the civil rights issue. It’s one of the prime reasons the sout

The people who supported segregation mostly abandoned the Democratic Party decades ago because of the civil rights issue. It’s one of the prime reasons the south used to be solidly Democratic and is now solidly Republican. Neither party is the same as it was in the nineteenth century.

zozbot234 6y ago
> The people who supported segregation mostly abandoned the Democratic Party decades ago because of the civil rights issue. Yup, that's what people like to tell themselves but much of it is wishful thinking. Look at how long people like Robert Byrd stayed around. Look at who actually supports, e.g. extreme NIMBY policies in urban areas to keep undesirable "demographics" out of the neighborhood, and "fights gentrification" to keep them boxed in with substandard amenities. How is that not modern segregation?
- dd36 6y ago
  It’s historical fact.
- enkid 6y ago
  Senators from West Virginia do not represent the mainstream Democrat views, so let's not cherry pick an example that ended over a decade ago. Instead, let's have a substantive conversation about policy. What specific policies are you referring to as NIMBY?
  - zozbot234 6y ago
    > let's have a substantive conversation about policy Right, that's what this thread is for. Is there anyone in the "mainstream Democrat" area who actually supports UBI? Who took the step to actually mail COVID relief checks to people with few if any strings attached, Republicans or Democrats?
    - enkid 6y ago
      This has nothing to do with my question, and is suggesting that Republicans sent out more stimulus than Democrats when we passed bipartisan bills for stimulus checks under both Republican and Democrat administration. Republicans have continually taken steps to do things like limit unemployment benefits that Democrats have fought for.
  - ryukafalz 6y ago
    Not GP, but: single-family-exclusive zoning for one, which props up home values and is the norm in almost all US suburbs. Who benefits when home prices are high? Who benefits when they're affordable?
    - zozbot234 6y ago
      Single family exclusive zoning also drives urban sprawl and the apparent "white flight" from areas that could be host to vibrant diversity. It's amazing how much of what we sometimes take for granted is actually the result of policy failure.
    - enkid 6y ago
      Biden is purposing giving tax breaks to cities that stop this practice.[0] How is does this support the other poster's argument? [0] https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2021/04/14/zoning-biden-infrastructure-bill-would-curb-single-family-housing/7097434002/ https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2021/04/14/zon...
      - ryukafalz 6y ago
        This is a good thing and I support it. Zoning decisions though tend to be more at the local level than the federal level, and I don't think there was much of any federal policy on it until now. Anecdata: my local area leans heavily Democratic, and exclusively single family zoning is the norm almost everywhere around here. (Though thankfully the city I actually live in is mostly an exception.)
- imtringued 6y ago
  I agree. A lot of zoning is intentionally based on the idea of raising the cost of living so that the poorer part of the population is driven out. Things like rent control primarily benefit those who were not struggling in the first place. They just get to pay less on their expensive apartments. If you were struggling to pay rent, then rent control does nothing for you because the rents you were paying were not significantly above the mandated rent control level to begin with. However, since you are struggling, landlords are not willing to rent out units to you because any missed payment is a loss for them. They can't price that risk into their rents so they simply take someone with a better economic background. That's how you get systemic racism without any single individual even thinking about skin color.
yonaguska 6y ago
In case you haven't noticed, segregation has made a huge come back, and it's mostly supported by Democrats. I'm talking the "everything but white people spaces", militant groups like NFAC, etc. We're also now segregating federal aid based on race, with federal aid for farmers being initially restricted to all groups except white men as well as federal aid for restaurants with the same requirements. If you are a white male restaurant owner, you cannot apply for federal aid due to covid-19 restrictions until they are sure enough minority/female owned businesses get aid. There is a finite limit to aid available. It's also a cultural segregation that's being pushed. I identified as black for a long time. All my life in fact. My mother is black, my skin is white. I have been told on a number of occasions that my identification is not valid, that I don't have a right to speak on certain topics, and that I don't belong in certain spaces due to the color of my skin. I experience way more racism in the north than in the south fwiw.

zozbot234 6y ago

> The people who supported segregation mostly abandoned the Democratic Party decades ago because of the civil rights issue. Yup, that's what people like to tell themselves but much of it is wishful thinking. Look at how long people like Robert Byrd stayed around. Look at who actually supports, e.g. extreme NIMBY policies in urban areas to keep undesirable "demographics" out of the neighborhood, and "fights gentrification" to keep them boxed in with substandard amenities. How is that not modern segregation?

dd36 6y ago
It’s historical fact.
enkid 6y ago
Senators from West Virginia do not represent the mainstream Democrat views, so let's not cherry pick an example that ended over a decade ago. Instead, let's have a substantive conversation about policy. What specific policies are you referring to as NIMBY?
- zozbot234 6y ago
  > let's have a substantive conversation about policy Right, that's what this thread is for. Is there anyone in the "mainstream Democrat" area who actually supports UBI? Who took the step to actually mail COVID relief checks to people with few if any strings attached, Republicans or Democrats?
  - enkid 6y ago
    This has nothing to do with my question, and is suggesting that Republicans sent out more stimulus than Democrats when we passed bipartisan bills for stimulus checks under both Republican and Democrat administration. Republicans have continually taken steps to do things like limit unemployment benefits that Democrats have fought for.
- ryukafalz 6y ago
  Not GP, but: single-family-exclusive zoning for one, which props up home values and is the norm in almost all US suburbs. Who benefits when home prices are high? Who benefits when they're affordable?
  - zozbot234 6y ago
    Single family exclusive zoning also drives urban sprawl and the apparent "white flight" from areas that could be host to vibrant diversity. It's amazing how much of what we sometimes take for granted is actually the result of policy failure.
  - enkid 6y ago
    Biden is purposing giving tax breaks to cities that stop this practice.[0] How is does this support the other poster's argument? [0] https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2021/04/14/zoning-biden-infrastructure-bill-would-curb-single-family-housing/7097434002/ https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2021/04/14/zon...
    - ryukafalz 6y ago
      This is a good thing and I support it. Zoning decisions though tend to be more at the local level than the federal level, and I don't think there was much of any federal policy on it until now. Anecdata: my local area leans heavily Democratic, and exclusively single family zoning is the norm almost everywhere around here. (Though thankfully the city I actually live in is mostly an exception.)
imtringued 6y ago
I agree. A lot of zoning is intentionally based on the idea of raising the cost of living so that the poorer part of the population is driven out. Things like rent control primarily benefit those who were not struggling in the first place. They just get to pay less on their expensive apartments. If you were struggling to pay rent, then rent control does nothing for you because the rents you were paying were not significantly above the mandated rent control level to begin with. However, since you are struggling, landlords are not willing to rent out units to you because any missed payment is a loss for them. They can't price that risk into their rents so they simply take someone with a better economic background. That's how you get systemic racism without any single individual even thinking about skin color.

yonaguska 6y ago

In case you haven't noticed, segregation has made a huge come back, and it's mostly supported by Democrats. I'm talking the "everything but white people spaces", militant groups like NFAC, etc. We're also now segregating federal aid based on race, with federal aid for farmers being initially restricted to all groups except white men as well as federal aid for restaurants with the same requirements. If you are a white male restaurant owner, you cannot apply for federal aid due to covid-19 restrictions until they are sure enough minority/female owned businesses get aid. There is a finite limit to aid available. It's also a cultural segregation that's being pushed. I identified as black for a long time. All my life in fact. My mother is black, my skin is white. I have been told on a number of occasions that my identification is not valid, that I don't have a right to speak on certain topics, and that I don't belong in certain spaces due to the color of my skin. I experience way more racism in the north than in the south fwiw.