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You can never know whats in anothers heart. Yet you must try. This fella has given us ample reason, within and outside of the book, to think of him as a misogyn

You can never know whats in anothers heart. Yet you must try. This fella has given us ample reason, within and outside of the book, to think of him as a misogynist. His self-defenses are lacking wherever I've read them. I don't think this is a case of "the people are stupid". This is a case of justice.

Aeolun 5y ago
And because he’s a misogynist he deserves any and all bad things that happen to him? There is a lot of people with stupid ideas in the world. You cannot punish them all just for their ideas.
- philosopher1234 5y ago
  He doesn't deserve all bad things. But he specifically shouldn't be in a powerful position at Apple. Their firing of him was good (i agree with others that their hiring of him was bad). People's ideas do matter. Ideally misogynists should not be in charge of women.
  - collaborative 5y ago
    Seems the guy isn't really a misogynist and his account of a romance was taken out of context though. Not that I agree with what he says, but there seems to be malice in his portrayal by some journalists (https://taibbi.substack.com/p/on-the-hypocrites-at-apple-who-canceled https://taibbi.substack.com/p/on-the-hypocrites-at-apple-who...) Everyone has a right to work (irrespective of position), to live freely, own property, etc.. Justifying the opposite because of someone's ideas is a very slippery slope. And the fact that politics is a game of perception makes it all the more dangerous. If the mob rules, the true rulers are the people who control the mob (an even smaller amount of people)
    - philosopher1234 5y ago
      The petition included a larger excerpt. I read it and did not think his words were taken out of context. I suggest you read the original work, as it contains other excerpts from other writings of his. Also, I don't believe the fact that he was using this sexist generalization to complement his love interest changes the sexism in the original quote.
- kemayo 5y ago
  People who make shitty public statements mocking large social groups (in this case women) probably shouldn't be surprised if (more than just) members of those social groups don't really want to work with them. Or that others who don't share those views don't want to be publicly associated with them. In particular, he made a bunch of statements which would make me concerned about him being in any sort of managerial role over women. He doesn't seem to have tried to walk them back or show some sort of change of heart (or "c'mon guys, it was all just a bit"), so I think his almost-coworkers had a point when they started that petition against him.
- igetspam 5y ago
  Wait wat? You can't punish people people for their behavior? Day that aloud. You sure about this?
Manuel_D 5y ago
The claim that the book is part fiction part truth, and these statements are part of the former isn't justification? Having read the book, it doesn't read out of place at all. He makes similar disparaging remarks to other groups. He even calls developers & hackers animals in the title. This is the overall tone the book is written in, he doesn't single out women for a particular rant. I'm sure it seems that way when all you read is a short quote. The notion that this except is a clear indicator that Antonio will inevitably harass, discriminate, or otherwise do something that gives good cause to avoid employing him is a long stretch. The real answer, were I Antonio's boss, is that I'd talk to him and see what his views really are. I'd ask around and see if he's treated women poorly.

Aeolun 5y ago

And because he’s a misogynist he deserves any and all bad things that happen to him? There is a lot of people with stupid ideas in the world. You cannot punish them all just for their ideas.

philosopher1234 5y ago
He doesn't deserve all bad things. But he specifically shouldn't be in a powerful position at Apple. Their firing of him was good (i agree with others that their hiring of him was bad). People's ideas do matter. Ideally misogynists should not be in charge of women.
- collaborative 5y ago
  Seems the guy isn't really a misogynist and his account of a romance was taken out of context though. Not that I agree with what he says, but there seems to be malice in his portrayal by some journalists (https://taibbi.substack.com/p/on-the-hypocrites-at-apple-who-canceled https://taibbi.substack.com/p/on-the-hypocrites-at-apple-who...) Everyone has a right to work (irrespective of position), to live freely, own property, etc.. Justifying the opposite because of someone's ideas is a very slippery slope. And the fact that politics is a game of perception makes it all the more dangerous. If the mob rules, the true rulers are the people who control the mob (an even smaller amount of people)
  - philosopher1234 5y ago
    The petition included a larger excerpt. I read it and did not think his words were taken out of context. I suggest you read the original work, as it contains other excerpts from other writings of his. Also, I don't believe the fact that he was using this sexist generalization to complement his love interest changes the sexism in the original quote.
kemayo 5y ago
People who make shitty public statements mocking large social groups (in this case women) probably shouldn't be surprised if (more than just) members of those social groups don't really want to work with them. Or that others who don't share those views don't want to be publicly associated with them. In particular, he made a bunch of statements which would make me concerned about him being in any sort of managerial role over women. He doesn't seem to have tried to walk them back or show some sort of change of heart (or "c'mon guys, it was all just a bit"), so I think his almost-coworkers had a point when they started that petition against him.
igetspam 5y ago
Wait wat? You can't punish people people for their behavior? Day that aloud. You sure about this?

Manuel_D 5y ago

The claim that the book is part fiction part truth, and these statements are part of the former isn't justification? Having read the book, it doesn't read out of place at all. He makes similar disparaging remarks to other groups. He even calls developers & hackers animals in the title. This is the overall tone the book is written in, he doesn't single out women for a particular rant. I'm sure it seems that way when all you read is a short quote. The notion that this except is a clear indicator that Antonio will inevitably harass, discriminate, or otherwise do something that gives good cause to avoid employing him is a long stretch. The real answer, were I Antonio's boss, is that I'd talk to him and see what his views really are. I'd ask around and see if he's treated women poorly.