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I have to say, I agree with Exxon here. After all, who is truly responsible for excess pollution in the following scenario? John Doe choosing to drive a 9 mile-

I have to say, I agree with Exxon here. After all, who is truly responsible for excess pollution in the following scenario? John Doe choosing to drive a 9 mile-per-gallon Hummer, or Exxon for pulling 9 gallons of petroleum out of a rock?

devoutsalsa 6y ago
I'm gonna have to say it was a group effort.
wilde 6y ago
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, but only one of them has an advertising budget.
- missedthecue 6y ago
  Exxon only advertises their lubricants. Oil is a commodity. Do you know who drilled the oil you fill your automobile with at Sheetz?
  - wilde 6y ago
    Ah, Exxon wasn’t involved in this scandal but you’re ignoring large systemic pushes by oil and car companies (in this case GM and Standard Oil) to increase people’s need for oil. [1] It’s nice to have us all bickering about which cars we own when most of us shouldn’t need a car at all. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_consp...
    - chii 6y ago
      The fact that cars gives freedom and mobility for a low price is not some conspiracy. Sure - some companies benefitted greatly from the car, but i say it's not a cause/effect relationship. It's like blaming tobacco companies for the human brain's natural addictive nature to nicotine. They are not to blame - they are merely supplying a product that other humans demand (despite it being patently bad for them).
aaron-santos 6y ago
Before Exxon was to blame, and now Exxon is telling me it's my fault. Why would I accept that?
- missedthecue 6y ago
  Because they could be correct? Why should you reject it out of hand?
  - aaron-santos 6y ago
    What do I get out of accepting the blame? This isn't a personal relationship.
    - fuzzfactor 6y ago
      >What do I get out of accepting the blame? Less costly energy bills? People shouldn't need an oil company to remind them that what used to be a dwindling resource and now a more threatening "climate risk" could best be addressed either way by extreme conservation, and substitution using less damaging alternatives whenever possible.
      - aaron-santos 6y ago
        Thanks for clarifying. It does make more sense now. They are bribing us with lower costs in order to escape accountability. I can see why they would want to do that.
AndrewBissell 6y ago
Did John Doe get the cities to pull up all their streetcar rails and make life without cars much more inconvenient, or was that public policy project undertaken and pushed forward by the large oil interests?

devoutsalsa 6y ago

I'm gonna have to say it was a group effort.

wilde 6y ago

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, but only one of them has an advertising budget.

missedthecue 6y ago
Exxon only advertises their lubricants. Oil is a commodity. Do you know who drilled the oil you fill your automobile with at Sheetz?
- wilde 6y ago
  Ah, Exxon wasn’t involved in this scandal but you’re ignoring large systemic pushes by oil and car companies (in this case GM and Standard Oil) to increase people’s need for oil. [1] It’s nice to have us all bickering about which cars we own when most of us shouldn’t need a car at all. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_consp...
  - chii 6y ago
    The fact that cars gives freedom and mobility for a low price is not some conspiracy. Sure - some companies benefitted greatly from the car, but i say it's not a cause/effect relationship. It's like blaming tobacco companies for the human brain's natural addictive nature to nicotine. They are not to blame - they are merely supplying a product that other humans demand (despite it being patently bad for them).

aaron-santos 6y ago

Before Exxon was to blame, and now Exxon is telling me it's my fault. Why would I accept that?

missedthecue 6y ago
Because they could be correct? Why should you reject it out of hand?
- aaron-santos 6y ago
  What do I get out of accepting the blame? This isn't a personal relationship.
  - fuzzfactor 6y ago
    >What do I get out of accepting the blame? Less costly energy bills? People shouldn't need an oil company to remind them that what used to be a dwindling resource and now a more threatening "climate risk" could best be addressed either way by extreme conservation, and substitution using less damaging alternatives whenever possible.
    - aaron-santos 6y ago
      Thanks for clarifying. It does make more sense now. They are bribing us with lower costs in order to escape accountability. I can see why they would want to do that.

AndrewBissell 6y ago

Did John Doe get the cities to pull up all their streetcar rails and make life without cars much more inconvenient, or was that public policy project undertaken and pushed forward by the large oil interests?