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This page is loaded with repeated headline statements but no substance. A collaborator to many of the NBC stories on the page you’ve provided is Ken Dilanian, a

This page is loaded with repeated headline statements but no substance. A collaborator to many of the NBC stories on the page you’ve provided is Ken Dilanian, a reported fired from the LA Times for his “collaborative relationship with the CIA.” I surmise this is consistent with the rest of the entire episode from LeavesTea onward.

tw04 5y ago
I'm not sure I follow your point, nothing you've stated contradicts the fact that his own lawyers admitted to him supplying Russians with polling data. You can't refute the facts so refute the site to try to distract the discussion? It is LITERALLY in the redacted court documents: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5677512/Manafort-20190108-Dc.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5677512/Manafort-... If you have an issue with that site you can go to literally dozens of others, how about the BBC? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46804127 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46804127
- tored 5y ago
  What do you think the punishment should be for giving mostly outdated, partially public and top line polling data (Trump 50% vs Clinton 48%) to Russians (as in citizens)?
  - tw04 5y ago
    I would need you to go back and edit your posts insinuating there was no proof before I have any interest in continuing the conversation. I get the impression you're more interested in trolling than having a conversation based in facts.
    - tored 5y ago
      Please point me to when I said there was no proof for Manafort giving Kilimnik polling data. (I didn't, what I was skeptic about was that Manafort gave Russian Intelligence sensitive campaign data and that there was connection from the Trump campaign to Russian Intelligence). Now, please answer my question.
- the_optimist 5y ago
  My point is exactly this: this has been puffed to sound nefarious. It is a zero. Fuzzy thinking around it was and is being used to excuse extraordinary abuse of the law and legal system. To be illegal, information sharing has to violate some law. This does not. It is simply not illegal to share information with Russia citizens, the Russian government, or anyone affiliated with Russia. Not even "secret" information, unless that information is governed under very specific laws. All this media puffery is absolute manipulation, and your distributing it shows that you either don't understand the law or don't wish to.
  - tw04 5y ago
    >To be illegal, information sharing has to violate some law. This does not. It is simply not illegal to share information with Russia citizens, the Russian government, or anyone affiliated with Russia. I can't tell if you're intentionally stating falsehoods with the hope nobody will fact check you, or if you're just completely ignorant of the law. He was accused and convicted of acting as an unregistered foreign agent. Is it absolutely, unquestionably illegal to be a political operative for a foreign government and not register. For good reason. He broke the law, he went to prison. It was entirely illegal. And NONE of that has anything to do with the original question or answer. Which is: what proof is there that he gave polling data to the Russians. Which I provided, and you still haven't refuted.
    - the_optimist 5y ago
      This is a non-argument. I do not dispute that he did or not. I assert strongly that no one on earth should care in the slightest.
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - the_optimist 5y ago
        There were no charges related to information, sharing, or Russians. Sharing non-classified information is completely legal. Working for a foreign business is legal. Getting paid is legal. Almost everything is legal. Acting as an foreign agent without disclosure is illegal, in limited scope. The FARA violation related to Ukraine.

tw04 5y ago

I'm not sure I follow your point, nothing you've stated contradicts the fact that his own lawyers admitted to him supplying Russians with polling data. You can't refute the facts so refute the site to try to distract the discussion? It is LITERALLY in the redacted court documents: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5677512/Manafort-20190108-Dc.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5677512/Manafort-... If you have an issue with that site you can go to literally dozens of others, how about the BBC? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46804127 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46804127

tored 5y ago
What do you think the punishment should be for giving mostly outdated, partially public and top line polling data (Trump 50% vs Clinton 48%) to Russians (as in citizens)?
- tw04 5y ago
  I would need you to go back and edit your posts insinuating there was no proof before I have any interest in continuing the conversation. I get the impression you're more interested in trolling than having a conversation based in facts.
  - tored 5y ago
    Please point me to when I said there was no proof for Manafort giving Kilimnik polling data. (I didn't, what I was skeptic about was that Manafort gave Russian Intelligence sensitive campaign data and that there was connection from the Trump campaign to Russian Intelligence). Now, please answer my question.
the_optimist 5y ago
My point is exactly this: this has been puffed to sound nefarious. It is a zero. Fuzzy thinking around it was and is being used to excuse extraordinary abuse of the law and legal system. To be illegal, information sharing has to violate some law. This does not. It is simply not illegal to share information with Russia citizens, the Russian government, or anyone affiliated with Russia. Not even "secret" information, unless that information is governed under very specific laws. All this media puffery is absolute manipulation, and your distributing it shows that you either don't understand the law or don't wish to.
- tw04 5y ago
  >To be illegal, information sharing has to violate some law. This does not. It is simply not illegal to share information with Russia citizens, the Russian government, or anyone affiliated with Russia. I can't tell if you're intentionally stating falsehoods with the hope nobody will fact check you, or if you're just completely ignorant of the law. He was accused and convicted of acting as an unregistered foreign agent. Is it absolutely, unquestionably illegal to be a political operative for a foreign government and not register. For good reason. He broke the law, he went to prison. It was entirely illegal. And NONE of that has anything to do with the original question or answer. Which is: what proof is there that he gave polling data to the Russians. Which I provided, and you still haven't refuted.
  - the_optimist 5y ago
    This is a non-argument. I do not dispute that he did or not. I assert strongly that no one on earth should care in the slightest.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - the_optimist 5y ago
      There were no charges related to information, sharing, or Russians. Sharing non-classified information is completely legal. Working for a foreign business is legal. Getting paid is legal. Almost everything is legal. Acting as an foreign agent without disclosure is illegal, in limited scope. The FARA violation related to Ukraine.