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Discord has easier user acquisition. Also anyone can set up a discord "server" and even the smallest fiefdom of power is like crack to people, so of course now

Discord has easier user acquisition. Also anyone can set up a discord "server" and even the smallest fiefdom of power is like crack to people, so of course now there's a discord server for everything.

2ion 5y ago
That's true. irccloud exists but no discord equivalent for self-service virtual IRC hosts. And hosting an IRCd is not a simple task; even the most basic "services" like chanserv or nickserv are not simple to get running securely. Not even talking about client-side certificate authentication as supported by OFTC and suchlike.
- welterde 5y ago
  There are irc daemons that have everything integrated such as oragono [1]. And if you just want an irc server for a couple friends you can just ignore ChanServ/NickServ.. it's not really needed (hell.. ircnet is still going strong and has no services at all!) [1] https://github.com/oragono/oragono https://github.com/oragono/oragono
agumonkey 5y ago
> fiefdom of power I keep saying that this is something discord pushes subconsciously and it makes a lot more places unliveable. On IRC chans feel more open and sociable than discord. On discord most servers come up with a lot more rules, a lot more steps (get a role) and people were often very tense. I had very sad and angry bouts on irc but it was rarer and about a topic disagreement / douche behaviour and not about bowing to a small group view on how to talk or laugh. It really gave a sect feeling. Then there are the slughtly5 political discord servers where you get a background check before the right to see rooms. Really odd (unless you're deep into anthropology)
jokoon 5y ago
Not to mention you cant even browser existing discord servers...
- EamonnMR 5y ago
  Right, in order to see a discord you need to join it. That is very hostile to people trying to find info locked in walled gardens (yikes) but it does let people keep toxic people out if they want to (yay.) More importantly it drives Discord's user acquisition and gives the mods of a discord an ego boost when someone joins.

2ion 5y ago

That's true. irccloud exists but no discord equivalent for self-service virtual IRC hosts. And hosting an IRCd is not a simple task; even the most basic "services" like chanserv or nickserv are not simple to get running securely. Not even talking about client-side certificate authentication as supported by OFTC and suchlike.

welterde 5y ago
There are irc daemons that have everything integrated such as oragono [1]. And if you just want an irc server for a couple friends you can just ignore ChanServ/NickServ.. it's not really needed (hell.. ircnet is still going strong and has no services at all!) [1] https://github.com/oragono/oragono https://github.com/oragono/oragono

agumonkey 5y ago

> fiefdom of power I keep saying that this is something discord pushes subconsciously and it makes a lot more places unliveable. On IRC chans feel more open and sociable than discord. On discord most servers come up with a lot more rules, a lot more steps (get a role) and people were often very tense. I had very sad and angry bouts on irc but it was rarer and about a topic disagreement / douche behaviour and not about bowing to a small group view on how to talk or laugh. It really gave a sect feeling. Then there are the slughtly5 political discord servers where you get a background check before the right to see rooms. Really odd (unless you're deep into anthropology)

jokoon 5y ago

Not to mention you cant even browser existing discord servers...

EamonnMR 5y ago
Right, in order to see a discord you need to join it. That is very hostile to people trying to find info locked in walled gardens (yikes) but it does let people keep toxic people out if they want to (yay.) More importantly it drives Discord's user acquisition and gives the mods of a discord an ego boost when someone joins.