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HMart's great. Good food court with a variety of cusines. Nice prepackaged take home food. Tons of free samples pre-covid. Huge section of dumplings. Lots of ni

HMart's great. Good food court with a variety of cusines. Nice prepackaged take home food. Tons of free samples pre-covid. Huge section of dumplings. Lots of niche asian things you have trouble finding elsewhere, like dashi and what not. Check it out if you have one nearby. To those unfamiliar with asian cuisines, try grabbing some kimbap (~korean sushi), korean bbq sauce, dashi (~umami soup base), hot sesame oil, gochujang paste, a fuck ton of noodles, etc. This article puts a large emphasis on race relations but honestly I think the anti-asian voice is very small. Certainly an order of magnitude smaller than what arabs a decade prior. Casually looking up stats on the FBI hate crime database (2019 https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/tables/table-1.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/tables/table...), asian hate crimes are an order magnitude less than black/african american hate crimes. I've seen stats suggestings a 100%+ increase in rates for asian americans in the past year, but that still puts it at a relatively lower number than other groups. Idk. As an aggressively liberal asian american living in a heavily blue area full of BLM and other progressive movements, this one doesn't resonate with me as the cultural emergency it's being shaped as. This could be local bias, but I don't believe the sentiment towards asians for the median, or even 90th percentile individual has changed that much. I don't know if I believe the local experience of the median asian has changed all that much either. As a non-chinese, I'm also annoyed at the lack of differentiation between Asian and Chinese- and then further from Chinese descent vs. CCP supporter. If there is any growing anti asian sentiment, it's almost entirely due to the actions of the CCP. If trends continue in this direction, I foresee a push to stop using the term Asian. Many (most?) Asian cultures consider the CCP to be a hostile nation and likely won't tolerate being lumped in with them.

roflc0ptic 5y ago
An acquaintance of mine mentioned that in college, she was involved in a college group that was trying to organize against anti-Asian violence, and there ended up being so little of it that they had to reorient to being a volunteer organization. I'm also pretty liberal, but it feels like the NYT has decided it's their role to litigate the culture war. I really don't love it. Being driven to substack a la Taibbi and Greenwald, because it's not like going and reading Breitbart or whatever is going to give me better info.
- User23 5y ago
  I lean traditional[1], not Conservative (TM), and I find Breitbart just as insufferable as MSNBC or CNN. They’re all using the same formula of eliciting emotional responses and using them to assign and cement opinions to their victims. I don’t agree with their political beliefs, but I find Taibbi and Greenwald readable. It’s hard to put a finger on what it is exactly, but you can tell they have far more intellectual respect for their readers than the mainstream propagandists do. [1] Think Chesterton’s Fence applied to politics.
  - leephillips 5y ago
    “Think Chesterton’s Fence applied to politics.” I like this. I may have to adapt this somehow. “Where do you stand on....” “I’m on the fence—the Chesterton fence.”
8fGTBjZxBcHq 5y ago
Your last paragraph I get it but I think that's also a sign of racism? Like say I'm Russian because I kinda am, no one holds me accountable for Putin's actions. The geopolitical positioning of Russia's regime at any given moment doesn't affect how safe I feel in my current country, doesn't affect how strangers feel about me. The fact that it does for some chinese-americans and other asians.... I'm not sure exactly what it says but there is something there and I don't think it's benign.
- klmadfejno 5y ago
  Of course, but there needs to be a way to say, for example, Russia is a hostile state without being seen as prejudiced against people of Russian descent. If someone says anti-asian ideals are on the rise, I think it's important to unpack that to say it is caused primarily by the ccp. Many people are anti-ccp but not anti-asian, likely including, a majority of non-chinese southeast asians. Having that conversation is how you remove vague racist sentiments and encourage a focus on actual political entities. Yes, people often fail and just use visual cues. But historically there have been differences. E.g. the original american views on japan were that of a refined civilization and sort of honorary white Asian vs. the chinese, which is all sorts of fucked up, but serves to highlight that even dumbass racially driven views can have nuance.
- numpad0 5y ago
  To me the GP look like just a thinly veiled “F-word [nationality] [noun]s can go home but some with [judgmental criteria] are good”... Rivalry is strong among East Asian countries. It probably isn’t causing cognitive dissonance in GP for using racist narratives against Asian categories while identifying as an Asian.
  - klmadfejno 5y ago
    I don't suppose the irony is lost upon you that you're using a stereotype of Asians to justify asserting that I'm racist. Consider a good faith interpretation in which I don't think anyone needs to good home because I didn't say anything like that. Assuming you're a liberal American, how do you feel about conservative media saying the country needs to be protected from anti-american sentiment in europe for trump being an idiot some time ago? Is it possible you thought "Actually I dislike trump too, he's not my president, and I shouldn't be held accountable for him?" Do you accept generalizations about Americans using subsets that you find abhorrent? Have you never said "there's large differences between the red and blue states, it's not all like that"? I certainly said things like that a lot, and at the end of the day, I think the crimes against humanity being committed by the CCP are worse than those of trump.
leephillips 5y ago
The idiotic practice of lumping Chinese, Indian, and Indonesian people together as “Asians”, as if the term had any kind of cultural relevance, is mainly a tic of journalists. For the most part, normal people don’t talk or think this way.
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  Asia is a big continent, and often Pacific Islanders are also thrown in with the jumbo term. Africans probably also feel weird when we bucket everyone from their continent under a single African label.
  - lastofthemojito 5y ago
    It is in fact "Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month" in the US right now. So go ahead and celebrate with some dumplings and a side of poi? African as a label becomes even stranger when mixed with American. African-American is usually used as a synonym for Black American, despite not all Africans being Black. An Egyptian-American likely would not be called African-American. We use words weirdly!
    - leephillips 5y ago
      It’s worse than that. I’ve heard black Africans living in Africa, who have never been to any country in the Americas, referred to as “African American” by people who think—well, who knows what they think? Americans are insane when it comes to “race”.
      - lotsofpulp 5y ago
        At some point in time, some portion of popular culture deemed “black” as a descriptor of people with certain skin tones and cultural background in the US was derogative and pushed for switching to “African American”, even though it can cause confusion.
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Mediterraneo10 5y ago
I have questioned the narrative of rising anti-Asian hate in the US ever since I read an HN-linked editorial on the subject in a major American newspaper by an Asian-American, and he included supposed microaggressions in the count of hateful actions against Asians. For example, noticing that someone has a relatively uncommon surname in North America (like Nguyen) and asking if that someone was related to someone else they knew with the same surname, was, according to him, microaggressive. This felt like such a reach made in order to claim there was an emergency going on.
- hpkuarg 5y ago
  I think that counts as a microaggression, in that it's a papercut to someone that builds up over time that a member of the majority culture would not experience (you wouldn't ask a John Smith if they're related to some other Smith). Isn't that what microaggressions are? Something that by itself is innocuous, but when it's the 20th time in a week you're asked the question, it starts being annoying.
  - Mediterraneo10 5y ago
    Yet people of the dominant race in the USA with an uncommon surname get asked the same questions, so viewing this as specifically anti-Asian sentiment is, as I said, a reach. Annoying behavior is not necessarily intentionally racist behavior or to be included in a supposedly rising incidence of what is specifically labeled "hate".
    - gsjjsjsbsb 5y ago
      The point of a microaggression is that it's part of the constant pressure of not being part of the "dominant race". You can't do a microaggression to a white person because there's no hierarchy where you're above them to reassert.
      - Mediterraneo10 5y ago
        This is false. The white person may be a member of an ethnicity seen as non-dominant. For example, his surname is unusual because it is typical of Muslim peoples but not for historically Christian whites, as for many immigrants to the USA from the former Yugoslavia or Albania. Yet unless the person asking about the surname is intentionally targeting that ethnicity, the behavior cannot reasonably be called anti-Muslim racism, let alone used as proof of a rising incidence of what is specifically termed "hate".
gruez 5y ago
>Casually looking up stats on the FBI hate crime database (2019 https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/tables/table https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/tables/table...), asian hate crimes are an order magnitude less than black/african american hate crimes. Isn't that expected because there's an order of magnitude less asians? Not to mention that the people targeted with this wave of violence are probably east asians which are a subset of all asians.
- bigbillheck 5y ago
  > Isn't that expected because there's an order of magnitude less asians? Per the article, Asian-Americans are 7% of this country. I leave as an exercise what an order-of-magnitude would imply here.
- klmadfejno 5y ago
  This is just spitballing, but I would think the number of hate crime committers is far more important than the number of potential hate crime victims. There's likely to be far more potential victims than actual victims in any given locale. Of course there's going to be some confounding effects here. edit: that is, adding one violent white nationalist will increase anti asian violence far more than adding one asian person.
Bukhmanizer 5y ago
As another non-Chinese Asian, really? You don’t want to be lumped in with the Chinese so it’s easier to know who the “bad ones” are? I hate this rhetoric. Whenever a hate crime occurs, it’s so common to hear “they didn’t deserve that, they’re not even Chinese!”. As though being Chinese would make it ok. It’s easy to forget that 3 decades ago, people were saying the same thing about Japan as they’re saying about China now. The people who want to hate Asians will find a reason.
- magicsmoke 5y ago
  It might be interesting to compare the treatment of Italian-Americans and German-Americans to Japanese-Americans in WW1 and WW2. Relatively few Italian and German-Americans were interned in comparison. Meanwhile, the hostility towards Japanese-Americans spilled over to Chinese-Americans despite China being invaded and allied with the US, leading to Chinese-Americans having to explicitly distinguish their racial identity while out in public as here: https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/chinese-americans-during-ww2-1941/ https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/chinese-americans-during-ww... The fact of the matter is, being a visible ethnic minority come with challenges in addition to being just an ethnic minority. If you are visually similar to the ethnic target of the day, whether or not you actually have links with them, you automatically get hit as collateral damage whether you like it or not. German and Italian Americans could blend in and stay out of the spotlight during the world wars. Japanese, Chinese, and other Asian Americans could not and still cannot, and their visual appearance forces them to share the same spotlight. No matter how varied the Asian experience may be, the Pan-Asian identity will continue to exist because identity is not just a product what you think of yourself, but what others think of you and how they interact with you.
  - xbar 5y ago
    Agree: multiple visually similar ethnic minorities probably experience "spillover" racial hatred when any of them is does. Internment is a good example. Disagree: German and Italian Americans experienced (and experience) ongoing racial prejudice. Cultural differences are very easy to spot and target for discrimination even when racial body features are not.
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jdlyga 5y ago
Most Americans, and Europeans too, really don't know much about China. The picture you get painted by only reading news articles is not representative of what real life is actually like over there. China is not a third world country, and the CCP is not a North Korean style military dictatorship. It's really just a normal place, and visiting Shanghai or Hangzhou just feels like you're in US cities. You don't have to like the CCP to enjoy China and respect its people.
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  Visiting China’s richest cities (like Shanghai or Hangzhou) will also give one a biased view of what China is like, just less so than being completely uninformed. For the good and the bad, Beijing is much more representative, or head out to the countryside in the poorer provinces.
  - yorwba 5y ago
    Even Shanghai has sparsely populated areas mostly used for agriculture. Someone just visiting the city is unlikely to ever end up there, though.
    - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
      Ya, but I don't think a 5 star hotel in Zhizhun (where Microsoft Shanghai's office is located) is going to give you an idea of what real China is like.
      - yorwba 5y ago
        Do you mean the Zizhu (紫竹) technology park? I used to live in the vicinity and took a lot of long walks, so I know there's quite a lot of agricultural land south and east of there. If you follow Dongchuan Road to the eastern end it already looks pretty rural, and randomly taking smaller roads from there in a southeasterly direction should lead you to your first rice field soon. That's less than 5 km away from the Microsoft campus. However, I don't expect the kind of person who stays at a 5-star hotel to spend much time randomly exploring their surroundings.
envy2 5y ago
I find it rather odd that you can describe yourself as "aggressively liberal" and then go on to defend discrimination against an entire ethnic group because of one government's admittedly problematic actions. The CCP does not inherently represent Chinese people (either from the PRC or certainly ethnic Chinese broadly), any more than the Republican Party represented all Americans simply by virtue of being in control of Congress and the Presidency.
- klmadfejno 5y ago
  I find that a bad faith interpretation of the following quote: > As a non-chinese, I'm also annoyed at the lack of differentiation between Asian and Chinese- and then further from Chinese descent vs. CCP supporter. But to further exemplify. If objectively evil aliens who looked just like white dudes with early male balding appeared, and people started attacking bald people. I think bald people would be frustrated if the cultural narrative asserted on them was "Anti-bald hatred" and that all bald entities should work together here, including the evil aliens. The problem might just be that a subset of bald people are bad, and some assholes are particularly degenerate in their willingness to group them together. Bald people would reject being called the same as the evil aliens just because they're visually similar. They're not the problem and they shouldn't have to put up with this. People hate the aliens, and a subset of people are just jerks. Unlike past controversies like anti Muslim and anti Black sentiments, anti-CCP isn't unsubstantiated. It's a non trivial threat. Some racist, violent thugs shouldn't get to control the cultural narrative of what's going on. If I oppose X, hell no am I going accept a movement that says that both I am equivalent to X, and that opposition to X is unfounded.
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throwaway00127 5y ago
Is this satire? Or is this some copypasta that I haven't been exposed to yet?

roflc0ptic 5y ago

An acquaintance of mine mentioned that in college, she was involved in a college group that was trying to organize against anti-Asian violence, and there ended up being so little of it that they had to reorient to being a volunteer organization. I'm also pretty liberal, but it feels like the NYT has decided it's their role to litigate the culture war. I really don't love it. Being driven to substack a la Taibbi and Greenwald, because it's not like going and reading Breitbart or whatever is going to give me better info.

User23 5y ago
I lean traditional[1], not Conservative (TM), and I find Breitbart just as insufferable as MSNBC or CNN. They’re all using the same formula of eliciting emotional responses and using them to assign and cement opinions to their victims. I don’t agree with their political beliefs, but I find Taibbi and Greenwald readable. It’s hard to put a finger on what it is exactly, but you can tell they have far more intellectual respect for their readers than the mainstream propagandists do. [1] Think Chesterton’s Fence applied to politics.
- leephillips 5y ago
  “Think Chesterton’s Fence applied to politics.” I like this. I may have to adapt this somehow. “Where do you stand on....” “I’m on the fence—the Chesterton fence.”

8fGTBjZxBcHq 5y ago

Your last paragraph I get it but I think that's also a sign of racism? Like say I'm Russian because I kinda am, no one holds me accountable for Putin's actions. The geopolitical positioning of Russia's regime at any given moment doesn't affect how safe I feel in my current country, doesn't affect how strangers feel about me. The fact that it does for some chinese-americans and other asians.... I'm not sure exactly what it says but there is something there and I don't think it's benign.

klmadfejno 5y ago
Of course, but there needs to be a way to say, for example, Russia is a hostile state without being seen as prejudiced against people of Russian descent. If someone says anti-asian ideals are on the rise, I think it's important to unpack that to say it is caused primarily by the ccp. Many people are anti-ccp but not anti-asian, likely including, a majority of non-chinese southeast asians. Having that conversation is how you remove vague racist sentiments and encourage a focus on actual political entities. Yes, people often fail and just use visual cues. But historically there have been differences. E.g. the original american views on japan were that of a refined civilization and sort of honorary white Asian vs. the chinese, which is all sorts of fucked up, but serves to highlight that even dumbass racially driven views can have nuance.
numpad0 5y ago
To me the GP look like just a thinly veiled “F-word [nationality] [noun]s can go home but some with [judgmental criteria] are good”... Rivalry is strong among East Asian countries. It probably isn’t causing cognitive dissonance in GP for using racist narratives against Asian categories while identifying as an Asian.
- klmadfejno 5y ago
  I don't suppose the irony is lost upon you that you're using a stereotype of Asians to justify asserting that I'm racist. Consider a good faith interpretation in which I don't think anyone needs to good home because I didn't say anything like that. Assuming you're a liberal American, how do you feel about conservative media saying the country needs to be protected from anti-american sentiment in europe for trump being an idiot some time ago? Is it possible you thought "Actually I dislike trump too, he's not my president, and I shouldn't be held accountable for him?" Do you accept generalizations about Americans using subsets that you find abhorrent? Have you never said "there's large differences between the red and blue states, it's not all like that"? I certainly said things like that a lot, and at the end of the day, I think the crimes against humanity being committed by the CCP are worse than those of trump.

leephillips 5y ago

The idiotic practice of lumping Chinese, Indian, and Indonesian people together as “Asians”, as if the term had any kind of cultural relevance, is mainly a tic of journalists. For the most part, normal people don’t talk or think this way.

seanmcdirmid 5y ago
Asia is a big continent, and often Pacific Islanders are also thrown in with the jumbo term. Africans probably also feel weird when we bucket everyone from their continent under a single African label.
- lastofthemojito 5y ago
  It is in fact "Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month" in the US right now. So go ahead and celebrate with some dumplings and a side of poi? African as a label becomes even stranger when mixed with American. African-American is usually used as a synonym for Black American, despite not all Africans being Black. An Egyptian-American likely would not be called African-American. We use words weirdly!
  - leephillips 5y ago
    It’s worse than that. I’ve heard black Africans living in Africa, who have never been to any country in the Americas, referred to as “African American” by people who think—well, who knows what they think? Americans are insane when it comes to “race”.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      At some point in time, some portion of popular culture deemed “black” as a descriptor of people with certain skin tones and cultural background in the US was derogative and pushed for switching to “African American”, even though it can cause confusion.
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Mediterraneo10 5y ago

I have questioned the narrative of rising anti-Asian hate in the US ever since I read an HN-linked editorial on the subject in a major American newspaper by an Asian-American, and he included supposed microaggressions in the count of hateful actions against Asians. For example, noticing that someone has a relatively uncommon surname in North America (like Nguyen) and asking if that someone was related to someone else they knew with the same surname, was, according to him, microaggressive. This felt like such a reach made in order to claim there was an emergency going on.

hpkuarg 5y ago
I think that counts as a microaggression, in that it's a papercut to someone that builds up over time that a member of the majority culture would not experience (you wouldn't ask a John Smith if they're related to some other Smith). Isn't that what microaggressions are? Something that by itself is innocuous, but when it's the 20th time in a week you're asked the question, it starts being annoying.
- Mediterraneo10 5y ago
  Yet people of the dominant race in the USA with an uncommon surname get asked the same questions, so viewing this as specifically anti-Asian sentiment is, as I said, a reach. Annoying behavior is not necessarily intentionally racist behavior or to be included in a supposedly rising incidence of what is specifically labeled "hate".
  - gsjjsjsbsb 5y ago
    The point of a microaggression is that it's part of the constant pressure of not being part of the "dominant race". You can't do a microaggression to a white person because there's no hierarchy where you're above them to reassert.
    - Mediterraneo10 5y ago
      This is false. The white person may be a member of an ethnicity seen as non-dominant. For example, his surname is unusual because it is typical of Muslim peoples but not for historically Christian whites, as for many immigrants to the USA from the former Yugoslavia or Albania. Yet unless the person asking about the surname is intentionally targeting that ethnicity, the behavior cannot reasonably be called anti-Muslim racism, let alone used as proof of a rising incidence of what is specifically termed "hate".

gruez 5y ago

>Casually looking up stats on the FBI hate crime database (2019 https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/tables/table https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/tables/table...), asian hate crimes are an order magnitude less than black/african american hate crimes. Isn't that expected because there's an order of magnitude less asians? Not to mention that the people targeted with this wave of violence are probably east asians which are a subset of all asians.

bigbillheck 5y ago
> Isn't that expected because there's an order of magnitude less asians? Per the article, Asian-Americans are 7% of this country. I leave as an exercise what an order-of-magnitude would imply here.
klmadfejno 5y ago
This is just spitballing, but I would think the number of hate crime committers is far more important than the number of potential hate crime victims. There's likely to be far more potential victims than actual victims in any given locale. Of course there's going to be some confounding effects here. edit: that is, adding one violent white nationalist will increase anti asian violence far more than adding one asian person.

Bukhmanizer 5y ago

As another non-Chinese Asian, really? You don’t want to be lumped in with the Chinese so it’s easier to know who the “bad ones” are? I hate this rhetoric. Whenever a hate crime occurs, it’s so common to hear “they didn’t deserve that, they’re not even Chinese!”. As though being Chinese would make it ok. It’s easy to forget that 3 decades ago, people were saying the same thing about Japan as they’re saying about China now. The people who want to hate Asians will find a reason.

magicsmoke 5y ago
It might be interesting to compare the treatment of Italian-Americans and German-Americans to Japanese-Americans in WW1 and WW2. Relatively few Italian and German-Americans were interned in comparison. Meanwhile, the hostility towards Japanese-Americans spilled over to Chinese-Americans despite China being invaded and allied with the US, leading to Chinese-Americans having to explicitly distinguish their racial identity while out in public as here: https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/chinese-americans-during-ww2-1941/ https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/chinese-americans-during-ww... The fact of the matter is, being a visible ethnic minority come with challenges in addition to being just an ethnic minority. If you are visually similar to the ethnic target of the day, whether or not you actually have links with them, you automatically get hit as collateral damage whether you like it or not. German and Italian Americans could blend in and stay out of the spotlight during the world wars. Japanese, Chinese, and other Asian Americans could not and still cannot, and their visual appearance forces them to share the same spotlight. No matter how varied the Asian experience may be, the Pan-Asian identity will continue to exist because identity is not just a product what you think of yourself, but what others think of you and how they interact with you.
- xbar 5y ago
  Agree: multiple visually similar ethnic minorities probably experience "spillover" racial hatred when any of them is does. Internment is a good example. Disagree: German and Italian Americans experienced (and experience) ongoing racial prejudice. Cultural differences are very easy to spot and target for discrimination even when racial body features are not.
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jdlyga 5y ago

Most Americans, and Europeans too, really don't know much about China. The picture you get painted by only reading news articles is not representative of what real life is actually like over there. China is not a third world country, and the CCP is not a North Korean style military dictatorship. It's really just a normal place, and visiting Shanghai or Hangzhou just feels like you're in US cities. You don't have to like the CCP to enjoy China and respect its people.

seanmcdirmid 5y ago
Visiting China’s richest cities (like Shanghai or Hangzhou) will also give one a biased view of what China is like, just less so than being completely uninformed. For the good and the bad, Beijing is much more representative, or head out to the countryside in the poorer provinces.
- yorwba 5y ago
  Even Shanghai has sparsely populated areas mostly used for agriculture. Someone just visiting the city is unlikely to ever end up there, though.
  - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
    Ya, but I don't think a 5 star hotel in Zhizhun (where Microsoft Shanghai's office is located) is going to give you an idea of what real China is like.
    - yorwba 5y ago
      Do you mean the Zizhu (紫竹) technology park? I used to live in the vicinity and took a lot of long walks, so I know there's quite a lot of agricultural land south and east of there. If you follow Dongchuan Road to the eastern end it already looks pretty rural, and randomly taking smaller roads from there in a southeasterly direction should lead you to your first rice field soon. That's less than 5 km away from the Microsoft campus. However, I don't expect the kind of person who stays at a 5-star hotel to spend much time randomly exploring their surroundings.

envy2 5y ago

I find it rather odd that you can describe yourself as "aggressively liberal" and then go on to defend discrimination against an entire ethnic group because of one government's admittedly problematic actions. The CCP does not inherently represent Chinese people (either from the PRC or certainly ethnic Chinese broadly), any more than the Republican Party represented all Americans simply by virtue of being in control of Congress and the Presidency.

klmadfejno 5y ago
I find that a bad faith interpretation of the following quote: > As a non-chinese, I'm also annoyed at the lack of differentiation between Asian and Chinese- and then further from Chinese descent vs. CCP supporter. But to further exemplify. If objectively evil aliens who looked just like white dudes with early male balding appeared, and people started attacking bald people. I think bald people would be frustrated if the cultural narrative asserted on them was "Anti-bald hatred" and that all bald entities should work together here, including the evil aliens. The problem might just be that a subset of bald people are bad, and some assholes are particularly degenerate in their willingness to group them together. Bald people would reject being called the same as the evil aliens just because they're visually similar. They're not the problem and they shouldn't have to put up with this. People hate the aliens, and a subset of people are just jerks. Unlike past controversies like anti Muslim and anti Black sentiments, anti-CCP isn't unsubstantiated. It's a non trivial threat. Some racist, violent thugs shouldn't get to control the cultural narrative of what's going on. If I oppose X, hell no am I going accept a movement that says that both I am equivalent to X, and that opposition to X is unfounded.

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throwaway00127 5y ago

Is this satire? Or is this some copypasta that I haven't been exposed to yet?