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> GMG plans to bring graphene aluminum-ion coin cells to market late this year or early next year, with automotive pouch cells planned to roll out in early 2024

> GMG plans to bring graphene aluminum-ion coin cells to market late this year or early next year, with automotive pouch cells planned to roll out in early 2024 Well, that's pleasantly surprising if true. I was expecting the standard caveat of it only being in research so far.

garyrichardson 6y ago
Although bringing some batteries to market this year indicates it is quite far along. Most of the battery/energy news I’ve seen on hn is “breakthrough will hit the market 5+ Years”.
soco 6y ago
I read so many breakthroughs in cell technologies lately, that I can't tell anymore what is research and what is success. Not being a specialist doesn't help either... So, are those plans based on real and tested batteries (as in, not just surface tests or whatever laboratory conditions), or thoughts how it would pan out if successful?
cmsonger 6y ago
100% that's the most important claim in the article. A few times a month I open the browser and see some "world changing battery technology" being talked about. Here we are however many years later and the world has not changed. The phones I can buy have LI batteries, the EVs I can buy have LI batteries, the few utility scale battery packs are LI batteries. Seems like having a technology that crosses the "publish revolutionary battery tech in the press" hurdle is dramatically lower than the "actually make a battery at product scale for a profit" hurdle, and not all of the former will make the latter. Here's hoping these folks do what they say on their production part, because I'm pretty desensitized to the first part of their claim.
- dghughes 6y ago
  > A few times a month I open the browser and see some "world changing battery technology" being talked about. Here we are however many years later and the world has not changed. That is the entire reason for Popular Science magazine it did for decades. Amazing things that never were built some were yes but many were not. It's fun to read about it but I can see how it could be frustrating too.
- imtringued 6y ago
  99% of battery research has never left the lab. It's considered a milestone to reach battery pouch production because literally anyone can make coin cells but pouch cells require some serious initial investment.
hourislate 6y ago
If it were true, wouldn't it stand to reason that someone would have snatched them up a long time ago. Tesla, GM, FORD,VW, etc? They would have been all over this company ages ago. Over 90% of all the published breakthroughs are fantasy.
- SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
  That's why I'm still wary. And you're not even listing all the cellphone and laptop manufacturer's that would be interested, especially with those claimed charge times.

garyrichardson 6y ago

Although bringing some batteries to market this year indicates it is quite far along. Most of the battery/energy news I’ve seen on hn is “breakthrough will hit the market 5+ Years”.

soco 6y ago

I read so many breakthroughs in cell technologies lately, that I can't tell anymore what is research and what is success. Not being a specialist doesn't help either... So, are those plans based on real and tested batteries (as in, not just surface tests or whatever laboratory conditions), or thoughts how it would pan out if successful?

cmsonger 6y ago

100% that's the most important claim in the article. A few times a month I open the browser and see some "world changing battery technology" being talked about. Here we are however many years later and the world has not changed. The phones I can buy have LI batteries, the EVs I can buy have LI batteries, the few utility scale battery packs are LI batteries. Seems like having a technology that crosses the "publish revolutionary battery tech in the press" hurdle is dramatically lower than the "actually make a battery at product scale for a profit" hurdle, and not all of the former will make the latter. Here's hoping these folks do what they say on their production part, because I'm pretty desensitized to the first part of their claim.

dghughes 6y ago
> A few times a month I open the browser and see some "world changing battery technology" being talked about. Here we are however many years later and the world has not changed. That is the entire reason for Popular Science magazine it did for decades. Amazing things that never were built some were yes but many were not. It's fun to read about it but I can see how it could be frustrating too.
imtringued 6y ago
99% of battery research has never left the lab. It's considered a milestone to reach battery pouch production because literally anyone can make coin cells but pouch cells require some serious initial investment.

hourislate 6y ago

If it were true, wouldn't it stand to reason that someone would have snatched them up a long time ago. Tesla, GM, FORD,VW, etc? They would have been all over this company ages ago. Over 90% of all the published breakthroughs are fantasy.

SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
That's why I'm still wary. And you're not even listing all the cellphone and laptop manufacturer's that would be interested, especially with those claimed charge times.