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Yes, but the important thing is that the vaccine is available. They chose not to take it. The argument that we need to keep each other safe no longer holds.

brundolf 5y ago
Keep in mind there are some who genuinely can't get it, for one medical reason or another. We still need to keep them safe.
- vmception 5y ago
  Keep in mind that that’s not gonna happen. Unless the President said that, your message is not going to get across. 848 Americans died today marked as a Covid contributed death. There were lockdowns across 90% of the country a year ago when less people were dying from this. So we’re just past that, sorry. Good luck to them. The goal was just to keep ICU capacity available for the normal distribution of emergencies in society. We’ve done that.
  - scrollaway 5y ago
    You cannot compare death and infection numbers with those of a year ago when zero people were vaccinated and the vaccine was still months away.
    - vmception 5y ago
      Whatever you are saying is just reinforcing my point? It means we’ve all been reduced to statistics for 15 months and we have now simply reverted to a mean where the world is not compatible with immunocompromised people and good luck to them, just like before Covid, and just like during and after Covid. They had a 15 month time period where people and the state would help reduce exposure to them, and that was the luckiest time for them to be immunocompromised and thats over now.
- Animats 5y ago
  There are very few people who can't tolerate the RNA-based coronavirus vaccines. For severely immuno-compromised people, the vaccines may not be effective.[1] People who are going to have their immune systems suppressed for a transplant apparently present some problems, but can be vaccinated before the transplant or weeks afterward. That's a nice feature of the RNA-based vaccines. [1] https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/immunocompromised-patients-covid-19-vaccines https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disea...
TimothyBJacobs 5y ago
That assumes that the vaccine is 100% effective, and that everyone who is at risk can safely take the vaccine. Neither of those are true.
- quickthrowman 5y ago
  Neither of them need to be true for a critical mass of vaccinated people to demand for restrictions to be rescinded. Eventually politicians will realize they need to get re-elected and cave to pressure. It will happen, especially with this new guidance from the CDC. I would bet there are no state wide mask mandates by Jan 1, 2022. Edit: Minnesota will be ending their mask mandate tomorrow.
  - vmception 5y ago
    I cant wait for the businesses that demand masks to be disconnected from the ability to operate by market pressures Most brick and mortar was barely viable during the best market in history so all we gotta do is wait! And also not go to them lol have fun with that gofundme
    - dguaraglia 5y ago
      So you are salivating at the idea that businesses that cared for their employees' safety go under just because you disagree with them politically. Very nice.
      - vmception 5y ago
        Disagreed politically? I’m talking about major markets like California opening up, not whatever happens already in Georgia or Florida. So I think these more risk averse jurisdictions will also have a few businesses that try to maintain independent restrictions without support from the state, and I think they will have lost tolerance from their entire population or market base by then (a few weeks from now). This is not political, as the Federal government and the state government will be of the same political leaning. Nice try though.
tacon 5y ago
As long as we still bend the curve to not overwhelm the hospital system. Even vaccinated, I may need an ICU bed from a car accident or a heart attack. I wish there was data on fully vaccinated people being able to spread infection to others, but that won't be available for a long time.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  > I wish there was data on fully vaccinated people being able to spread infection to others, but that won't be available for a long time. There is such data. That data is what led the CDC to make this change.
waiseristy 5y ago
This right here is the argument, and has been since February 2020. We got a little lost along the way, but our original social measures to reduce the spread of COVID was due to our inability to protect those who couldn't protect themselves. Now that we have the vaccines, we have no moral reason to now baby the people who refuse to protect themselves.
- atomicnumber3 5y ago
  Children can't get vaccinated yet, though, and I do still want to protect them. It's why my wife and I, though fully vaccinated, haven't totally returned to normal, since our toddler and infant are still susceptible.
  - quickthrowman 5y ago
    I understand wanting to protect your kids, but here’s some statistics (United States): on average, 500 kids a year die from RSV, a respiratory virus for which there is no vaccine. Last year, 200 kids died from COVID-19, for which a seemingly safe and effective vaccine exists. I understand this probably doesn’t help much since you don’t hear and think about RSV every day for a year straight, but hopefully the vaccines are approved for children soon. Hang in there :)
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    For children, COVID is less dangerous than the seasonal flu, and we've never mandated masks or vaccines to protect children from that.
    - bitcoinmoney 5y ago
      Source for this??
      - josephcsible 5y ago
        https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm > The risk of complications for healthy children is higher for flu compared to COVID-19.
bostonsre 5y ago
Really hoping that the majority of those that haven't been vaccinated are just lazy and not scared of the vaccine. Hopefully this is enough of a carrot, but also hope this doesn't embolden those that haven't been vaccinated and don't plan on it from going mask-less in public when they previously were wearing masks.
- grogenaut 5y ago
  In WA it only recently opened up to all, and even those with early access may still be working on a full course. I just finished my full course because I had early access due to volunteer work. So we're not quite through those who are choosing not to take it here. Soon tho it will be all down to choice here.
  - bostonsre 5y ago
    Oh, good to know.. guess I assumed that because I've heard there's more vaccines than people that want to take them in the valley that it'd be like that in most other places.
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brundolf 5y ago

Keep in mind there are some who genuinely can't get it, for one medical reason or another. We still need to keep them safe.

vmception 5y ago
Keep in mind that that’s not gonna happen. Unless the President said that, your message is not going to get across. 848 Americans died today marked as a Covid contributed death. There were lockdowns across 90% of the country a year ago when less people were dying from this. So we’re just past that, sorry. Good luck to them. The goal was just to keep ICU capacity available for the normal distribution of emergencies in society. We’ve done that.
- scrollaway 5y ago
  You cannot compare death and infection numbers with those of a year ago when zero people were vaccinated and the vaccine was still months away.
  - vmception 5y ago
    Whatever you are saying is just reinforcing my point? It means we’ve all been reduced to statistics for 15 months and we have now simply reverted to a mean where the world is not compatible with immunocompromised people and good luck to them, just like before Covid, and just like during and after Covid. They had a 15 month time period where people and the state would help reduce exposure to them, and that was the luckiest time for them to be immunocompromised and thats over now.
Animats 5y ago
There are very few people who can't tolerate the RNA-based coronavirus vaccines. For severely immuno-compromised people, the vaccines may not be effective.[1] People who are going to have their immune systems suppressed for a transplant apparently present some problems, but can be vaccinated before the transplant or weeks afterward. That's a nice feature of the RNA-based vaccines. [1] https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/immunocompromised-patients-covid-19-vaccines https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disea...

TimothyBJacobs 5y ago

That assumes that the vaccine is 100% effective, and that everyone who is at risk can safely take the vaccine. Neither of those are true.

quickthrowman 5y ago
Neither of them need to be true for a critical mass of vaccinated people to demand for restrictions to be rescinded. Eventually politicians will realize they need to get re-elected and cave to pressure. It will happen, especially with this new guidance from the CDC. I would bet there are no state wide mask mandates by Jan 1, 2022. Edit: Minnesota will be ending their mask mandate tomorrow.
- vmception 5y ago
  I cant wait for the businesses that demand masks to be disconnected from the ability to operate by market pressures Most brick and mortar was barely viable during the best market in history so all we gotta do is wait! And also not go to them lol have fun with that gofundme
  - dguaraglia 5y ago
    So you are salivating at the idea that businesses that cared for their employees' safety go under just because you disagree with them politically. Very nice.
    - vmception 5y ago
      Disagreed politically? I’m talking about major markets like California opening up, not whatever happens already in Georgia or Florida. So I think these more risk averse jurisdictions will also have a few businesses that try to maintain independent restrictions without support from the state, and I think they will have lost tolerance from their entire population or market base by then (a few weeks from now). This is not political, as the Federal government and the state government will be of the same political leaning. Nice try though.

tacon 5y ago

As long as we still bend the curve to not overwhelm the hospital system. Even vaccinated, I may need an ICU bed from a car accident or a heart attack. I wish there was data on fully vaccinated people being able to spread infection to others, but that won't be available for a long time.

josephcsible 5y ago
> I wish there was data on fully vaccinated people being able to spread infection to others, but that won't be available for a long time. There is such data. That data is what led the CDC to make this change.

waiseristy 5y ago

This right here is the argument, and has been since February 2020. We got a little lost along the way, but our original social measures to reduce the spread of COVID was due to our inability to protect those who couldn't protect themselves. Now that we have the vaccines, we have no moral reason to now baby the people who refuse to protect themselves.

atomicnumber3 5y ago
Children can't get vaccinated yet, though, and I do still want to protect them. It's why my wife and I, though fully vaccinated, haven't totally returned to normal, since our toddler and infant are still susceptible.
- quickthrowman 5y ago
  I understand wanting to protect your kids, but here’s some statistics (United States): on average, 500 kids a year die from RSV, a respiratory virus for which there is no vaccine. Last year, 200 kids died from COVID-19, for which a seemingly safe and effective vaccine exists. I understand this probably doesn’t help much since you don’t hear and think about RSV every day for a year straight, but hopefully the vaccines are approved for children soon. Hang in there :)
- josephcsible 5y ago
  For children, COVID is less dangerous than the seasonal flu, and we've never mandated masks or vaccines to protect children from that.
  - bitcoinmoney 5y ago
    Source for this??
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm > The risk of complications for healthy children is higher for flu compared to COVID-19.

bostonsre 5y ago

Really hoping that the majority of those that haven't been vaccinated are just lazy and not scared of the vaccine. Hopefully this is enough of a carrot, but also hope this doesn't embolden those that haven't been vaccinated and don't plan on it from going mask-less in public when they previously were wearing masks.

grogenaut 5y ago
In WA it only recently opened up to all, and even those with early access may still be working on a full course. I just finished my full course because I had early access due to volunteer work. So we're not quite through those who are choosing not to take it here. Soon tho it will be all down to choice here.
- bostonsre 5y ago
  Oh, good to know.. guess I assumed that because I've heard there's more vaccines than people that want to take them in the valley that it'd be like that in most other places.

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