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LOL to 2000ns. Seriously? 10ms minimum to go to the next rack. For 99% of the requests. For the unlucky 1% you'll get outlier performance due to.... well... yo

LOL to 2000ns. Seriously? 10ms minimum to go to the next rack. For 99% of the requests. For the unlucky 1% you'll get outlier performance due to.... well... you spend the next sprint figuring it out and the next quarter trying to solve that scaling bottleneck.... It could be network, it could be some weird design thing, it could be redis, who knows? But yeah... enjoy figuring it out instead of focusing on your product. 1% of all requests is actually a lot of requests. And if you think 1% of your auth requests aren't 10x the median... you aren't measuring it hard enough.

brobinson 5y ago
What on earth kind of clownish network setup do you have where O(1) lookups over a network take 10ms? I worked on a tiny (3 people) engineering team serving 250,000 http requests/second 27/7/365 doing 5-6 over-the-network requests to other services (memcached, redis) per request we handled and our 99th percentile time to get a response on the wire was < 15 milliseconds.
- brobinson 5y ago
  "24"/7/365... we weren't warping spacetime to get responses on the wire that fast.
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sneak 5y ago
That's exactly my point, you are agreeing with me. I was refuting the comment claiming that networks were slow compared to on-die comms because of physics and lightspeed. The signals going through the wire and back are 2000ns in a big datacenter. There are orders of magnitude more delays in the processing of those bits than their transmission through space via twisted pair or fiber. It's not 10ms to go to the next rack though unless your network is broken. You're much closer to 100us (100,000ns).
imtringued 5y ago
Yes, it takes 2000ns for the signal to travel at the speed of light. ledauphin never talked about the time spent processing the signals, which is incredibly odd because that's where most of the time is being wasted. This is a very common pattern in networking, people underestimate the speed of light and overestimate the speed of network equipment.

brobinson 5y ago

What on earth kind of clownish network setup do you have where O(1) lookups over a network take 10ms? I worked on a tiny (3 people) engineering team serving 250,000 http requests/second 27/7/365 doing 5-6 over-the-network requests to other services (memcached, redis) per request we handled and our 99th percentile time to get a response on the wire was < 15 milliseconds.

brobinson 5y ago
"24"/7/365... we weren't warping spacetime to get responses on the wire that fast.

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sneak 5y ago

That's exactly my point, you are agreeing with me. I was refuting the comment claiming that networks were slow compared to on-die comms because of physics and lightspeed. The signals going through the wire and back are 2000ns in a big datacenter. There are orders of magnitude more delays in the processing of those bits than their transmission through space via twisted pair or fiber. It's not 10ms to go to the next rack though unless your network is broken. You're much closer to 100us (100,000ns).

imtringued 5y ago

Yes, it takes 2000ns for the signal to travel at the speed of light. ledauphin never talked about the time spent processing the signals, which is incredibly odd because that's where most of the time is being wasted. This is a very common pattern in networking, people underestimate the speed of light and overestimate the speed of network equipment.