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As with Reddit's Aimee Challenor controversy, I can't see why the hiring company did not do a simple google search of the candidate before moving forward in the

As with Reddit's Aimee Challenor controversy, I can't see why the hiring company did not do a simple google search of the candidate before moving forward in the hiring process. In both cases, the hiring process is either broken if they did not bother to search, or they did search and the company initially did not care. The later, bowing to employee pressure and backtracking, would be spineless.

SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
What would a Google search have revealed? As far as I can tell ("antonio garcia martinez before:2021"), neither he nor his book faced any significant controversy until today.
- williamsmj 5y ago
  Here he is being told to his face that his writing is "very misogynistic" by Kara Swisher in 2016: https://www.vox.com/2016/8/9/12415696/antonio-garcia-martinez-chaos-monkeys-recode-decode-podcast-transcript https://www.vox.com/2016/8/9/12415696/antonio-garcia-martine.... This wasn't a secret, which is why it was so easy for these Apple employees to assemble a lot of quotes at short notice.
  - SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
    It certainly wasn't a secret that he wrote the book! But "very misogynistic" is only one part of a long and not particularly hostile interview. If you stumbled upon this interview without the benefit of today's context, would you really be able to conclude the guy's permanently unemployable?
    - williamsmj 5y ago
      Two things come across in that interview alone. He seems temperamentally totally unsuitable to being a manager at a mainstream tech company. Bluntly, he seems like an asshole. Possibly the kind of asshole certain people find funny. But an asshole. To that extent, I'm surprised he got an offer. Possibly he's very good at pretending not to be an asshole in job interviews. Secondly, the quote from his book in that interview is exactly the kind of thing that, yes, makes you unhireable for management jobs at mainstream tech companies. Hiring people who not only believe that stuff but say it in public, on the record is an insanely big risk. The first female or non-white report who had a bad experience with him would find it extremely easy to sue Apple for discrimination or hostile work environment or whatever and they would win, and Exhibit A would be that quote. That quote alone is such an obvious and insoluble problem that I can only assume Apple HR is trying right now to figure out why none of this was caught before the offer. He wouldn't have gotten to the onsite if someone had been paying attention. He's not unemployable. He's not been cancelled. He's a fabulously wealthy public figure. He'll be fine. He'll probably write a book about this experience. And no one has to work for him. Everybody wins.
      - SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
        Was he indeed going to be a manager? That's a very different story if so, but I haven't seen any coverage indicating that was the plan.
        williamsmj 5y ago
        He was a prominent executive and manager with reports at Facebook (before he wrote the book). I suppose it's possible Apple hired someone who can't code whose most recent accomplishment was a non-fiction book to be an IC with no reports, but it seems more likely he would have had reports.
        SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
        Okay, that makes a lot more sense. I had thought this was thousands of employees filing a petition against some random IC, maybe a first level manager, which I hope we can agree would be a lot more disturbing.

SpicyLemonZest 5y ago

What would a Google search have revealed? As far as I can tell ("antonio garcia martinez before:2021"), neither he nor his book faced any significant controversy until today.

williamsmj 5y ago
Here he is being told to his face that his writing is "very misogynistic" by Kara Swisher in 2016: https://www.vox.com/2016/8/9/12415696/antonio-garcia-martinez-chaos-monkeys-recode-decode-podcast-transcript https://www.vox.com/2016/8/9/12415696/antonio-garcia-martine.... This wasn't a secret, which is why it was so easy for these Apple employees to assemble a lot of quotes at short notice.
- SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
  It certainly wasn't a secret that he wrote the book! But "very misogynistic" is only one part of a long and not particularly hostile interview. If you stumbled upon this interview without the benefit of today's context, would you really be able to conclude the guy's permanently unemployable?
  - williamsmj 5y ago
    Two things come across in that interview alone. He seems temperamentally totally unsuitable to being a manager at a mainstream tech company. Bluntly, he seems like an asshole. Possibly the kind of asshole certain people find funny. But an asshole. To that extent, I'm surprised he got an offer. Possibly he's very good at pretending not to be an asshole in job interviews. Secondly, the quote from his book in that interview is exactly the kind of thing that, yes, makes you unhireable for management jobs at mainstream tech companies. Hiring people who not only believe that stuff but say it in public, on the record is an insanely big risk. The first female or non-white report who had a bad experience with him would find it extremely easy to sue Apple for discrimination or hostile work environment or whatever and they would win, and Exhibit A would be that quote. That quote alone is such an obvious and insoluble problem that I can only assume Apple HR is trying right now to figure out why none of this was caught before the offer. He wouldn't have gotten to the onsite if someone had been paying attention. He's not unemployable. He's not been cancelled. He's a fabulously wealthy public figure. He'll be fine. He'll probably write a book about this experience. And no one has to work for him. Everybody wins.
    - SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
      Was he indeed going to be a manager? That's a very different story if so, but I haven't seen any coverage indicating that was the plan.
      - williamsmj 5y ago
        He was a prominent executive and manager with reports at Facebook (before he wrote the book). I suppose it's possible Apple hired someone who can't code whose most recent accomplishment was a non-fiction book to be an IC with no reports, but it seems more likely he would have had reports.
        SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
        Okay, that makes a lot more sense. I had thought this was thousands of employees filing a petition against some random IC, maybe a first level manager, which I hope we can agree would be a lot more disturbing.