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Just because they are attempting to address it does not mean they will succeed.

by rapsey 5y ago

HatchedLake721 5y ago
So what? Should we all give up now and stop doing whatever we're doing now, just because we might not succeed? That's how people learn, advance and improve the world around us - through failure and mistakes.
valtism 5y ago
Yes but let’s not get that cynical about it. People are working hard on these problems.
echopom 5y ago
> Just because they are attempting to address it does not mean they will succeed. Strongly agree this statement , hence I don't see how switching from "npm" to "raw urls" will solve anything... The problem with Node dependency is bigger than just "npm is not a good package manager"... Honestly in this case just fork node and replace npm with something else... Here the problem relies on a mixture between poor built-in apis which are buggy a lack of vision with the language , which have been core to the language since it's origin.;. Deno doesn't seems to address those at all... Again it's just seems to be "npm is bad , and i want to use typescript natively with web apis"... I just know very well that Ryan is redoing exactly the same mistakes as Node with the same obsession he had on "EPOLL"[0] back then that will end up in a new fiasco. [0]https://youtu.be/M3BM9TB-8yA https://youtu.be/M3BM9TB-8yA Can't find the specific part where he mentioned "EPOLL"
- tarruda 5y ago
  > I just know very well that Ryan is redoing exactly the same mistakes as Node with the same obsession he had on "EPOLL"[0] back then that will end up in a new fiasco. "epoll" is a Linux API for listening on multiple file descriptors. Different platforms have equivalent APIs, and these are normally core of any scalable non-blocking I/O network program. Can you elaborate why do you think he had an obsession with "epoll"? More importantly, can you elaborate what was the fiasco? Epoll is still used under the hoods by Node.js (through libuv) and many other network servers such as Nginx
- gadrev 5y ago
  re-[0]: 15:43
- e12e 5y ago
  > (...) will end up in a new fiasco. Are you saying nodejs is a fiasco?
- v8dev123 5y ago
  npm maybe bloated but I'd say it's better than pip. pip is insane, you have to set up virtual env (hurts UX) but with node you don't have to.
noir_lord 5y ago
If they don't attempt to address it they'll certainly fail.

Just because they are attempting to address it does not mean they will succeed.

by rapsey 5y ago

Just because they are attempting to address it does not mean they will succeed.

So what? Should we all give up now and stop doing whatever we're doing now, just because we might not succeed? That's how people learn, advance and improve the world around us - through failure and mistakes.

valtism 5y ago

Yes but let’s not get that cynical about it. People are working hard on these problems.

echopom 5y ago

> Just because they are attempting to address it does not mean they will succeed. Strongly agree this statement , hence I don't see how switching from "npm" to "raw urls" will solve anything... The problem with Node dependency is bigger than just "npm is not a good package manager"... Honestly in this case just fork node and replace npm with something else... Here the problem relies on a mixture between poor built-in apis which are buggy a lack of vision with the language , which have been core to the language since it's origin.;. Deno doesn't seems to address those at all... Again it's just seems to be "npm is bad , and i want to use typescript natively with web apis"... I just know very well that Ryan is redoing exactly the same mistakes as Node with the same obsession he had on "EPOLL"[0] back then that will end up in a new fiasco. [0]https://youtu.be/M3BM9TB-8yA https://youtu.be/M3BM9TB-8yA Can't find the specific part where he mentioned "EPOLL"

tarruda 5y ago
> I just know very well that Ryan is redoing exactly the same mistakes as Node with the same obsession he had on "EPOLL"[0] back then that will end up in a new fiasco. "epoll" is a Linux API for listening on multiple file descriptors. Different platforms have equivalent APIs, and these are normally core of any scalable non-blocking I/O network program. Can you elaborate why do you think he had an obsession with "epoll"? More importantly, can you elaborate what was the fiasco? Epoll is still used under the hoods by Node.js (through libuv) and many other network servers such as Nginx
gadrev 5y ago
re-[0]: 15:43
e12e 5y ago
> (...) will end up in a new fiasco. Are you saying nodejs is a fiasco?
v8dev123 5y ago
npm maybe bloated but I'd say it's better than pip. pip is insane, you have to set up virtual env (hurts UX) but with node you don't have to.

noir_lord 5y ago

If they don't attempt to address it they'll certainly fail.