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The heck what are the down votes for. The government cant force someone to buy housing first. Its one thing to criminlize littering or sleeping/tresspassing o

by anfilt 5y ago

The heck what are the down votes for. The government cant force someone to buy housing first. Its one thing to criminlize littering or sleeping/tresspassing on other peoples property. Its a whole an other thing to criminalize the act of not having a permanent residence.

anovikov 5y ago
I strongly believe in exactly that: not having a permanent resident address (even if you don't actually live there, it's OK to live elsewhere if you can afford), being a felony. In Belarus, it works this way: if someone is caught in the street in a distressed state or suspected to be a homeless, he's brought into a sorting station (приемник-распределитель), where he is checked. If he can produce papers showing where he lives, get in contact with relatives and it appears obvious that it was an accident (someone partied too much and got "lost"), he's released, although his employer is notified. If not, they check if he's an alcoholic or a drug-addict, he's placed into a prison-style rehab. Escape from it is difficult and it is punishable with an actual prison. After rehab, they are given a dorm bed and a job, and a social worker tracks to make sure they stick with it. If he's mentally disturbed, a commission examines him and puts him into a prison-like mental institution, with similar consequences. If he already been in any of the above and it didn't help, they try again, but after ~3 tries, he goes to prison. It works. There are no bums in Belarus. Streets are safe. And yes, technically there is no way to legally become homeless in Belarus. You parents can't check you out when you grow up unless you buy a place of your own and can transfer your permanent registration there - there is no way to not have a permanent registration, citizen registration office just won't accept an application to "check out my 25 year old son coz it's time for him to live on his own" if he doesn't have that new place to check in to. There are some cracks in that system so a very very small fraction of people (<1%) end up without registration, but it is technically illegal (although no one will bother before they find you in the street drunk), and must be in theory impossible. And yes, registration is separate from ownership. You can sell your apartment with people still registered there and they retain that registration and a right to live there (ofc when you file papers to buy an apartment, there's a way to check if there are any people still registered, so no one in their sane mind would buy a place with anyone still registered). So here's a fix: make it legally impossible to not have a place of your own, and make it illegal not to.

by anfilt 5y ago

anovikov 5y ago

I strongly believe in exactly that: not having a permanent resident address (even if you don't actually live there, it's OK to live elsewhere if you can afford), being a felony. In Belarus, it works this way: if someone is caught in the street in a distressed state or suspected to be a homeless, he's brought into a sorting station (приемник-распределитель), where he is checked. If he can produce papers showing where he lives, get in contact with relatives and it appears obvious that it was an accident (someone partied too much and got "lost"), he's released, although his employer is notified. If not, they check if he's an alcoholic or a drug-addict, he's placed into a prison-style rehab. Escape from it is difficult and it is punishable with an actual prison. After rehab, they are given a dorm bed and a job, and a social worker tracks to make sure they stick with it. If he's mentally disturbed, a commission examines him and puts him into a prison-like mental institution, with similar consequences. If he already been in any of the above and it didn't help, they try again, but after ~3 tries, he goes to prison. It works. There are no bums in Belarus. Streets are safe. And yes, technically there is no way to legally become homeless in Belarus. You parents can't check you out when you grow up unless you buy a place of your own and can transfer your permanent registration there - there is no way to not have a permanent registration, citizen registration office just won't accept an application to "check out my 25 year old son coz it's time for him to live on his own" if he doesn't have that new place to check in to. There are some cracks in that system so a very very small fraction of people (<1%) end up without registration, but it is technically illegal (although no one will bother before they find you in the street drunk), and must be in theory impossible. And yes, registration is separate from ownership. You can sell your apartment with people still registered there and they retain that registration and a right to live there (ofc when you file papers to buy an apartment, there's a way to check if there are any people still registered, so no one in their sane mind would buy a place with anyone still registered). So here's a fix: make it legally impossible to not have a place of your own, and make it illegal not to.